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Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by Vinnl »

continuational wrote: post #99
coding123 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually really excited about Angular "2+" for something you've expressed here. I know that a React developer won't see this the same way, but I really feel like it's come down (for me at least) to either Angular "2+" or React - and whatever the reason someone is going to be on one side of the fence or the other. I've written smallish to largish programs in Vue, React, Ember, Polymer - and in all of those cases t…

How does RxJS solve the problem of virtual DOM?

By itself it doesn't really have anything to do with it; they're solutions to completely different problems. (That said, I'm not quite sure what you mean by the "problem" of virtual DOM?)

What _is_ interesting, though, is having your virtual DOM be the output of a reactive stream, and having a virtual DOM library use that to update the actual DOM. This is the approach Cycle.js takes: https://cycle.js.org/

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by fuzzy2 »

ianamartin wrote: post #124

Honest question, How does Angular make my life easier or better in some way? I currently use Python and Pyramid as a framework. Mako templates. And SQLAlchemy for database interactions. How is any of this really better?

Angular is different. It is not concerned with the server side at all. It's just about so-called Single Page Applications.

This SPA would typically talk to services via "AJAX" (though probably with JSON). These services could be implemented using any technology.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by agumonkey »

yulaow wrote: post #105
tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Is ironic just yesterday I read almost the same thing but trashtalking pseudofunctional programming in js, declarative components, microframeworks and dependency hell over all-in solutions, etc etc... The reality is you don't really have any idea of what future of web development is, as anyone has. The community is not oriented in any way... rather we are probably in the time of biggest uncertainty and most frequent…

All good points, but FP has been a solid paradigm for a very long time, from people that had time and wisdom. It reduces very quantifiable issues like shared mutations, lines of code.

Now that doesn't make js revisitation of fp pristine but still it's quite a refreshing thing.

I never used Ang2+ but Ang1 was such a heavy thing; it was a OOP theory in itself, flipped around the DOM (I forgot their terminology but basically, the DOM tree became the inheritance tree).

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by Fifer82 »

Vinnl wrote: post #125
throwaywgsid wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Angular is a mess but typescript is alive and kicking on its own, even with react. Personally I'm one of the apparently rare breeds that hate angular but loves typescript. I wish there were more of us. They're really in different realms and please don't make them part of the same whole. Typescript is a transpiler but the transforms it does are designed to mimic accepted JavaScript idioms. When I'm debugging typescrip…

It's interesting how OP says people are moving towards more functional-style Javascript, but also dismisses statically typed Javascript. The two work really well together.

(They don't understand TypeScript. The argument is as stale as the 0.8 release)

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by kabes »

Uroboric wrote: post #95
tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

I have about two years of experience with both Angular 1 and React. What was truly astounding to me was how while Angular required months of continually poring docs and Stack Overflow threads for every new thing I wanted to do, React took all of a week or two to get pretty comfortable with, and after that minor investment of time I was rewarded with dramatically increased development speed. I will never go back to us…

Euhm. Jsx and vdom are exactly About abstracting away the browser environment...

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by tannhaeuser »

First of all, congrats to the Angular team.

I'll say personally I've never been a fan of Angular, but I think if you want Java/J2EE-ish all-encompassing component model and decorator-/annotation-based GUIs, it certainly is a very strong contender (though kindof the thermonuclear option and absurdly complex IMHO, at least if you have some prior web development experience). I think Google's track record wrt. long-term maintainance isn't half bad really (GWT and closure tools have been around for a long time).

That said, I've recently talked to recruiters, and was told Angular has already peaked as the go-to framework for enterprise MVC web apps, and is replaced by React and others (and I'm assuming Angular wasn't all that much used outside that demographic because of the heavy setup and on boarding/buy-in).

In the course of JavaScript generational cycles I'm expecting we're bound to re-discover "evergreen" web apps, those being characterized by lack of heavy build pipelines, simple browser-refresh driven development cycles, and straightforward use of web forms (+ maybe components).

An open question for me is what about TypeScript, eg. since Angular has been a major driver/user behind its type-heavy approach, will it suffer along with Angular?

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by aedron »

candiodari wrote: post #29
coding123 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually really excited about Angular "2+" for something you've expressed here. I know that a React developer won't see this the same way, but I really feel like it's come down (for me at least) to either Angular "2+" or React - and whatever the reason someone is going to be on one side of the fence or the other. I've written smallish to largish programs in Vue, React, Ember, Polymer - and in all of those cases t…

Didn't GWT provide you with type checking on the frontend 10 years back ? Still works, incidentally.

If you are Java heavy, GWT is still a great option. It is extremely mature and can do pretty much everything you want to do.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by kabes »

git-pull wrote: post #17

I'll probably try it. But man, am I getting jaded about all this javascript framework stuff. Every 6 months stuff breaks, every 2 years there's a huge shift. The problem with javascript I've been facing is value. Time and effort doesn't always correlate to what I get in the other end. In fact, I can say when building, going single-page is a time sink. And it's almost always a mistake to go SPA first. Using a django o…

What were your problems with meteor? Because that sounds exactly like what you're asking for

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by kabes »

tomc1985 wrote: post #61
robwormald wrote: post #9

Angular core team here, we're pretty excited about this release. Main change, as noted, is the new View Engine. The design doc[0] is worth a read if you're interested in front-end at all. Happy to answer any questions! [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/195L4WaDSoI_kkW094LlShH6g...

Is it me or has the Angular1 site received an update? Is that platform still supported?

It's still supported.
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