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Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by d2kx »

robwormald wrote: post #9

Angular core team here, we're pretty excited about this release. Main change, as noted, is the new View Engine. The design doc[0] is worth a read if you're interested in front-end at all. Happy to answer any questions! [0] https://docs.google.com/document/d/195L4WaDSoI_kkW094LlShH6g...

1) I'm still new to this, but why would someone not use Angular Universal/why is it not default? I have only read positives, but am sure there must be a reason.

2) Why do we need Angular Material 2, when Google's official Material Components Web project is meant to be used with all kinds of frameworks and even has framework integration examples with Angular2: https://github.com/material-components/material-components-w...

3) Should I follow Quickstart or CLI Quickstart in the docs to get started? I have heard that the CLI is recommended nowadays, but the Angular 4.0 release blog says the CLI isn't even stable.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by robwormald »

coding123 wrote: post #18
robwormald wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Major release every 6 months, 2 major version deprecation policy. There was definitely some initial pushback, but we hope to demonstrate with this release that it's a) not that scary and b) good for both developers and users. Most devs should see significant reduction (upwards of 50%) in their output builds. We think that's a reasonable trade off for a couple hours of work to upgrade. In this release, most developers…

I think you're right. Probably something similar to how they changed Java from the 1.x to the 5, 6, 7... series. It did take a couple years for people to stop saying 1.5 though, as I suspect will be the case for people saying "Angular2" trying to find a way to distance themselves from Angular 1 but not really caring if some component was written for 4, 5, etc..

you'll find that generally, we refer to it as "Angular" or "Angular 4.0" - officially, AngularJS is 1.x.

We'll see how it shakes out, but so far our community has been pretty awesome about it.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by wernercd »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #7
elmigranto wrote: post #2

I'm so out of the loop… Feels like a week ago everyone talked about how cool and performant v2 will be when it's finally out of the beta and officially ready for production, and now there is v4 release. What's going on with versions?

"Angular 1" is now known as Angular.js and is effectively at the end of its line. Angular 2+ is now simply Angular. All new releases follow a naming of version X.Y.Z where X indicates breaking changes, Y non-breaking new features, and Z is bug fixes. Version 3 is being skipped over due to poor naming of the related Angular Router lib. http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2016/12/ok-let-me-explain-its-...

Damn... I was really hoping for Angular 16 next year...

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by skybrian »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #7
elmigranto wrote: post #2

I'm so out of the loop… Feels like a week ago everyone talked about how cool and performant v2 will be when it's finally out of the beta and officially ready for production, and now there is v4 release. What's going on with versions?

"Angular 1" is now known as Angular.js and is effectively at the end of its line. Angular 2+ is now simply Angular. All new releases follow a naming of version X.Y.Z where X indicates breaking changes, Y non-breaking new features, and Z is bug fixes. Version 3 is being skipped over due to poor naming of the related Angular Router lib. http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2016/12/ok-let-me-explain-its-...

There is also AngularDart, which has forked and isn't following the same numbering scheme:

https://webdev.dartlang.org/angular

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by coding123 »

git-pull wrote: post #17

I'll probably try it. But man, am I getting jaded about all this javascript framework stuff. Every 6 months stuff breaks, every 2 years there's a huge shift. The problem with javascript I've been facing is value. Time and effort doesn't always correlate to what I get in the other end. In fact, I can say when building, going single-page is a time sink. And it's almost always a mistake to go SPA first. Using a django o…

I'm actually really excited about Angular "2+" for something you've expressed here. I know that a React developer won't see this the same way, but I really feel like it's come down (for me at least) to either Angular "2+" or React - and whatever the reason someone is going to be on one side of the fence or the other. I've written smallish to largish programs in Vue, React, Ember, Polymer - and in all of those cases tried, wherever possible to do so in RXJS and Typescript. When everything else shakes out, I'm finding that nothing is coming close to the RXJS and Typescript combination "sweet spot". There have been various attempts to make a lot of the other frameworks "typescript friendly" but it's just nowhere near.

So why is Rx and Typescript so important to me? Well specifically those two are kind of like the drug that once you try them, you literally can't go back. I've been wanting this level of type checking for 10 years on the front end. I am not willing to lose it now. As for Rx, it's the one true way to do async flows. Promises and Callbacks just end up creating large pyramidic code.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by georgefrick »

Community here has been pretty negative on this lately. So I'll just add I've been using Angular 2x and also Ionic 2 the last year or so with great success. One real benefit we saw was the ability to take a lot of Backbone code and just quickly port it (models to services, templates just back to html for a component, etc). This is helping us help our enterprise clients in conversions of both older front end code and older Java EE code (for example JSP + Struts => Restful + NG2X).

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by natoliniak »

coding123 wrote: post #10

I suspect there's going to be a bit of pushback to this acceleration in numbering.

If my experience is any indication of general industry practices, businesses are very risk averse when it comes to upgrading libraries or dependencies as it usually triggers costly regression testing. At my current gig, we still run on angular 1.3.something and there is no way the business will allow us to migrate to v2 as we struggle to justify exactly what added value will we get from essentially a top-down rewrite.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by philplckthun »

coding123 wrote: post #25
git-pull wrote: post #17

I'll probably try it. But man, am I getting jaded about all this javascript framework stuff. Every 6 months stuff breaks, every 2 years there's a huge shift. The problem with javascript I've been facing is value. Time and effort doesn't always correlate to what I get in the other end. In fact, I can say when building, going single-page is a time sink. And it's almost always a mistake to go SPA first. Using a django o…

I'm actually really excited about Angular "2+" for something you've expressed here. I know that a React developer won't see this the same way, but I really feel like it's come down (for me at least) to either Angular "2+" or React - and whatever the reason someone is going to be on one side of the fence or the other. I've written smallish to largish programs in Vue, React, Ember, Polymer - and in all of those cases t…

I think Typescript can sometime have a mind of its own, but it's certainly an enrichment and with Rx everything just falls into place.

At this point it's hard to ignore that all the UI libraries are just paradigms and patterns, and how we use them is getting less important. These days I just want to write Component-style UI code, and I'll be fine.

Similarl things can be said about RxJS, but I think since it's a different level of abstraction, it will hit much harder, once it gains more traction. And it's already building up a solid community much faster than before. the only thing standing in the way of people learning RxJS is the same as Angular / Vue / React. It's scary and there's a lot of fatigue still. I hope that this year is thus going to be even better for teaching. ^^

Tldr; RxJS is going to be huge, if we can teach it more and JS fatigue calms down.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by candiodari »

coding123 wrote: post #25
git-pull wrote: post #17

I'll probably try it. But man, am I getting jaded about all this javascript framework stuff. Every 6 months stuff breaks, every 2 years there's a huge shift. The problem with javascript I've been facing is value. Time and effort doesn't always correlate to what I get in the other end. In fact, I can say when building, going single-page is a time sink. And it's almost always a mistake to go SPA first. Using a django o…

I'm actually really excited about Angular "2+" for something you've expressed here. I know that a React developer won't see this the same way, but I really feel like it's come down (for me at least) to either Angular "2+" or React - and whatever the reason someone is going to be on one side of the fence or the other. I've written smallish to largish programs in Vue, React, Ember, Polymer - and in all of those cases t…

Didn't GWT provide you with type checking on the frontend 10 years back ?

Still works, incidentally.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by robwormald »

philplckthun wrote: post #28
coding123 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually really excited about Angular "2+" for something you've expressed here. I know that a React developer won't see this the same way, but I really feel like it's come down (for me at least) to either Angular "2+" or React - and whatever the reason someone is going to be on one side of the fence or the other. I've written smallish to largish programs in Vue, React, Ember, Polymer - and in all of those cases t…

I think Typescript can sometime have a mind of its own, but it's certainly an enrichment and with Rx everything just falls into place. At this point it's hard to ignore that all the UI libraries are just paradigms and patterns, and how we use them is getting less important. These days I just want to write Component-style UI code, and I'll be fine. Similarl things can be said about RxJS, but I think since it's a diffe…

We've got some really cool ideas to make Rx really first class in Angular. It's already pretty deeply integrated, but with a little work, it'll be awesome.
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