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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by cmurf »

deadowl wrote: post #76
hackuser wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. That's democracy; that is America or else there is no America. All Americans must own this problem, not say that it's not their fault. For one thing, it didn't come from nowhere; Trump's policies merely put in action what many in his party have advocated for years. Yet many smart people I know overlooked it and continued to vote Republican.

I'm not saying that Americans shouldn't own this problem, but it's notable that Trump's presidency isn't even majority representation, nevermind democracy.

Not even a plurality, let alone majority.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by finid »

joering2 wrote: post #119
finid wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this rate naturalized citizens will be next. And just remember that the US govt can already lock forever on terrorism charges.

Yes thanks to Obama orders, citizens in time of war OR NOT, outside of US soil, OR ON IT! The only recently new things is a guys in Washington recklessly driving car while DUI that is being officially called terrorist. Next coming: jaywalking might be terrorism too.

That law predated Obama.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by crispinb »

wallace_f wrote: post #73

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

It is always hard to forgive nations whose democratic governments you deposed.

Conversely von Clownstick finds it remarkably easy to forgive nations he personally has no business with: http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trumps-muslim-ban-exclude...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

hackerboos wrote: post #54
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

There's already been a "tit-for-tat" response from Iran. US citizens are banned from travelling there. Not like they made it easy before but still we can expect similar responses to the proposed 20% border tax with Mexico. Edit Some people seem to think US citizens cannot visit Iran. From the horse's mouth: https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/825439380806434816

US citizens have been banned from Iran for almost 40 years. That's a mighty swift response to US policy in 2017.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by ciaranm »

daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

I find this comment utterly disgusting, and entirely reprehensible.

You should be ashamed. Imagine being unable to go to work after a short vacation - because someone didn't like where you were born, and in the meantime, on a whim, decided not to let you go.

For absolute shame.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by greglindahl »

malcolmgreaves wrote: post #105
powertower wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas…

Obviously it doesn't affect citizens. The problem is it affects legal, permanent residents. And innocent people. Trump is already busy throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It affects citizens who want to get married to non-citizens.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by hesdeadjim »

hackuser wrote: post #44
hesdeadjim wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

> It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. That's democracy; that is America or else there is no America. All Americans must own this problem, not say that it's not their fault. For one thing, it didn't come from nowhere; Trump's policies merely put in action what many in his party have advocated for years. Yet many smart people I know overlooked it and continued to vote Republican.

If only this country were actually a democracy and not a gerrymandered, federalist republic with eroded checks and balances and an antiquated presidential election system. Then we wouldn't be having this conversation because a sane and intelligent woman would be running the country.

Unfortunately the best I can do as a single voter in a non-swing state is continuing to petition my representatives. Even then you face futility by having to deal with someone like our esteemed Senator Cory Gardner (R), who goes on CBS to claim that all the people calling and writing his office are "paid protesters".

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by crispinb »

tyfon wrote: post #7

A friendly reminder from over the pond (that is Europe). https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392 You need to speak up now, or one does not know where this will end.

Some will speak (Hollande already has I think?), but no-one will do anything to risk their precious $$.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by camus2 »

cpncrunch wrote: post #109
camus2 wrote: post #92

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> Proud to be Canadian, I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place?

>I thought excessive chauvinism is what led to Trump at first place? I have no idea how you equate him saying "Canadians will welcome you" with chauvanism. And if you're referring to Justin getting his shirt off, that isn't what chauvanism means. (He is actually the exact opposite of the definition of chauvanism).

> him saying "Canadians will welcome you"

He didn't say that, I quoted what he said. There is no need to be proud of anything, like a nationality would make someone "more virtuous" and people from other nationalities would be defacto "less virtuous". That's chauvinism.

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