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Re: IRC v3

#131

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But now you have to run a ZNC server as well - it's a lot more work for a very simple feature.

It's not "very simple" - it's just that with Slack, someone else is running ZNC for you. Chat apps don't magically "just work" - either you run your own infrastructure, or use someone else's.

Even with IRC you are still using someone else' infrastructure -- unless you run your own IRC network from scratch of course.

Re: IRC v3

#132
post #7

I am a long time IRC user (irssi is my 'daily driver'), but I'm pretty sure IRCv3 is called "Slack".

Eugh. You could at least choose an open standard like Matrix. http://matrix.org/

I hadn't heard of this. I just spent the last hour setting up my own federated server and playing with some clients. This is pretty great! A lot like Slack in terms of UX, but without the corporate walled garden.

Re: IRC v3

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post #81

They've been working on this for years and I'm seeing very little of it. And beyond that, it's missing everything we take for granted nowadays: scrollback, keeping note of where you were and media sharing. Yeah media sharing can be done with, what's it called, CTCP? That's just piping stuff through a short message service, like Twitter or DNS. It doesn't properly display media either, but it allows for small file tra…

The ircv3 server-time extension can be used to implement scrollback intelligently, there's a ZNC plugin which does this.

Re: IRC v3

#134
post #76

I used IRC for over 10 years, but after using Slack for 1 it just felt outdated to me. Offline messages and simulatnous logins from multiple places are just two features I was missing in IRC and didn't even know till I had them, haha. But yeah, IRC networks just worked as message broker and not as databases, so I never thought about it.

Slack isn't an IRC replacement. It's business trying to embrace, extend, and extinguish the IRC protocol so they can capture the business market that uses IRC and collect rent.

I think it's Slack's business to allow for realtime communication and file exchange between people that don't know how to operate a terminal, which is like 99% of everyone. If their only clients would be 'business market that uses IRC' they would have a hard time making money.

Re: IRC v3

#135

I run an XMPP server for myself and a few friend and have had no end to the trouble with it getting OTR or any level of encryption working reliably before friends lose their interest. Please, someone, just offer us an open source slack clone that runs off on a R-pi and has a walk through wizard to enable the 99% of typical install requirements. Even as someone who works in the industry, I dont have time to learn the…

If you are running your own server why would you need OTR? Normally connections to a single server are all TLS and work transparently.

Re: IRC v3

#136

I second a comment made below regarding https://matrix.org/ . I've used IRC for years and still use it almost daily - but come on Mosh + tmux + ec2 just to have permanent chat history? I seriously can't advocate this crap to anyone in 2016. It's too little, too late.

Yup. Sadly. The hassle to get a fully working setup is too much, even for technical people.

Re: IRC v3

#137
post #76

I used IRC for over 10 years, but after using Slack for 1 it just felt outdated to me. Offline messages and simulatnous logins from multiple places are just two features I was missing in IRC and didn't even know till I had them, haha. But yeah, IRC networks just worked as message broker and not as databases, so I never thought about it.

I use ZNC, so logging in from multiple places works well.

ZNC is great. I run it on a Pi so I don't even really have to worry about reboots or anything on another machine.

Re: IRC v3

#138

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I literally can't tell if this is satire.

It's not, but your comment made me smile. You seem to feel differently. Go ahead, tell me why it shouldn't be the case.

I'm not the person you asked, but I share their opinion because JS and websockets do not appear to have any obvious relationship or applicability to IRC.

Re: IRC v3

#139
post #114

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That's why I use Mattermost, which Slack Without the Suck™. It's free, fast, easy to use, visually appealing, supports PostgreSQL — what more could I ask for? Well, a native Android client. But other than that, what more could I ask for?

Compatibility with a real protocol, IRC, instead of just a marginal bridge. Mattermost will still splinter communities.

The "real protocol" sucks on ice nowadays. No conversation history, no offline message storing, no push notifications, absolutely none of the niceties we've learned since 1990.

The whole reason the Slacks and Hipchats and Discords of the world exist is that IRC is a terribly limited protocol that many people have tried to hang enhanced functionality on top of and none have succeeded.

Personally, I'm in favor of letting the better product win. IRC has been objectively superseded in nearly every way that matters.

Re: IRC v3

#140
post #105

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I use KiwiIRC each and everyday. It's one of the nicest looking and easiest to setup web frontend for my hybrid-ircd setup. Sadly it's just a small group of friends and an OLD eggdrop bot that runs a crusty old megahal.mod as entertainment. I haven't found anything that runs as well and can create humerous replies since then. Hopefully the old code will continue to compile for awhile. Anyway, I strayed off topic. I t…

Bit off-topic, but Eggdrop was the very first thing I ever compiled from source WAY back in the later 1990's. I figured out how to hack together a (absolutely terrible) TCL script to monitor #fatefiles on EFNet for messages by certain nicks (a few XDCC bots) and echo them to another private channel. It was trash but it worked. One of my earliest experiences that I can remember with any sort of real code. Ahhhh, the g…

Me too! Eggdrop with TCL/TK on Undernet, with fbsql as mysql client. Rudimentary chatting with the bot and getting it to answer preset commands, looking up records in the database. It was frustrating, but when it worked it felt glorious.
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