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Re: IRC v3

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Post by superkuh »

k__ wrote: post #76

I used IRC for over 10 years, but after using Slack for 1 it just felt outdated to me. Offline messages and simulatnous logins from multiple places are just two features I was missing in IRC and didn't even know till I had them, haha. But yeah, IRC networks just worked as message broker and not as databases, so I never thought about it.

Slack isn't an IRC replacement. It's business trying to embrace, extend, and extinguish the IRC protocol so they can capture the business market that uses IRC and collect rent.

Re: IRC v3

#113

Post by majewsky »

Frondo wrote: post #74
bcook wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So logs are no longer append-only? This seems like a uselessly complex thing for all servers and client logs to support. Seems like it would break many things. What situation needs an edit feature? I can think of none, since a quick follow-up correction is simple. Also, edits would ruin many of the funny situations encountered on bash.org. :)

Logs can be append-only, while clients can still show edits. These aren't in conflict. It wouldn't have to be complex, either, and it certainly isn't useless (says me and a few other people already!). Quick example: I recently typed out about 10 long lines of business development chatter in Slack, the first of which contained a list of prospects. I realized I left a few out in my list, and edited the message to add t…

Whenever I see someone on my IRC channels type out 10 long lines of anything, I tell them to use some sort of pastebin instead.

Re: IRC v3

#114

Post by wtbob »

superkuh wrote: post #111
k__ wrote: post #76

I used IRC for over 10 years, but after using Slack for 1 it just felt outdated to me. Offline messages and simulatnous logins from multiple places are just two features I was missing in IRC and didn't even know till I had them, haha. But yeah, IRC networks just worked as message broker and not as databases, so I never thought about it.

Slack isn't an IRC replacement. It's business trying to embrace, extend, and extinguish the IRC protocol so they can capture the business market that uses IRC and collect rent.

That's why I use Mattermost, which Slack Without the Suck™. It's free, fast, easy to use, visually appealing, supports PostgreSQL — what more could I ask for?

Well, a native Android client. But other than that, what more could I ask for?

Re: IRC v3

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Post by wtbob »

majewsky wrote: post #112
grizzles wrote: post #108

To fix irc, the best thing they could do would be to add first class support for js and websockets.

I literally can't tell if this is satire.

Me neither. I hope it is, but … I just don't know any more.

Re: IRC v3

#116

Post by wtbob »

tete wrote: post #56

Apologies for being off topic. I am happy about this story now being on the front page. However, I don't really understand how reposts work. I always thought that URLs are a unique key. Is this a way to kind of "retry" them? In this case I'd be curious about how they work. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12570201

I've had the same thing happen with a few of my submissions. On the one hand: cool, the story I liked is now being seen. But OTOH: not so cool, I like the HN metagame too.

Re: IRC v3

#117

Post by superkuh »

wtbob wrote: post #114
superkuh wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slack isn't an IRC replacement. It's business trying to embrace, extend, and extinguish the IRC protocol so they can capture the business market that uses IRC and collect rent.

That's why I use Mattermost, which Slack Without the Suck™. It's free, fast, easy to use, visually appealing, supports PostgreSQL — what more could I ask for? Well, a native Android client. But other than that, what more could I ask for?

Compatibility with a real protocol, IRC, instead of just a marginal bridge. Mattermost will still splinter communities.

Re: IRC v3

#118

Post by Senji »

y4mi wrote: post #68
kuschku wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Length negotiation has been discussed for years, but it’s not that easy. Imagine user A negotiates a length fo 1024 bytes with the server, user B negotiates a length of 2048 bytes. User B sends a message via the server to user A. What happens?

or 511, because C told A that this was a funny number and faster for some reason.

The standard would specify a minimum and then you'd be able to go up from that in multiples of it up to a different maximum. If that doesn't jive with the client the client can go screw itself.

Re: IRC v3

#120

Post by Senji »

rachelbythebay wrote: post #65

It's still a graph with single points of failure throughout, right?

An irc network can have several servers. If one goes down if the others are online you can connect to any one of them and still be ok. A net split will happen but they tend to resolve fast.
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