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If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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I pay cash for all my transactions. I don't own a car because I fear that the registration systems for licensing and taxes will gather information about me and we know that those government data systems are most vulnerable to attack. When I travel, it's by bus only - requiring a form of identification at the airport is a front to government spying. Unfortunately, the bus systems are starting to require too much infor…

I think your post is sarcasm, but there's some lemonade to make from your lemons.

In 2007, I removed all traces of myself from the internet. Now, if you search me, I don't come up (try it). I likely have google profiles, but I can be sure that none are tied to my real name.

I've been arrested three times, but good luck finding my information in the system, after filing a DMCA takedown notice for violation of my intellectual property rights.

if you're trying to engage in commerce in the modern world, you need to learn trust law. put your assets in trust(s), and retain no personal liability for anything. If your house is owned by another entity that isn't you, and you don't even have a rental contract with that entity, that means you're legally homeless, even though you have both a home and a claim to the property. it's much harder to find you when a Bermuda Trust Corporation owns your home.

I travel by bus and car, though I have an enforced and recognized adverse claim under UNDHR guaranteeing my right to travel unencumbered, which took a bit of a rodeo, but was definitely worth it. "I" am the holder in due course of the New Vehicle Identification Statement (NeVIS) for my car, which means I retain full lawful and equitable title for my property, and do not require a license plate (Steve Jobs did something similar).

With the recent adoption of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Persons, second-generation-born-on-American-Soil persons can claim indigenous rights. When it comes to travel, Jay's Treaty[0] makes travel for indigenous people simple; mention it at the border, watch their face light up, and play the Legend of Zelda "secret room" music in your head as you're waved through without more questions.

Citizens have three jobs: Answer your mail, pay the taxes you owe, and Vote. Make sure you reply to all contract offers (those you are obligated to respond to, that is) within 72 hours of receipt. If you get jury duty, inform them that your attendance that day is without prejudice (but attend).

Unfortunately, when it comes to other people, we are definitely in a world of surveillance, which has a chilling effect on other people's ability to stand out from a crowd. The public will punish square pegs that do not fit in round holes, even if they aren't in any way harmful to themselves or others. The best advice I can give is to take a cue from the CIA - Trust, but verify. If someone starts showing signs that they disagree with your lifestyle or political stance, withdraw from having that conversation with them in the future.

Don't crinkle in a ball. Just learn how to survive in a world designed for slavery.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Treaty#American_Indian_rig...

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in this case, what do you think would be the motivation of companies like Google who uses data to monetize for any innovation and provide better service? Companies have to sustain and the only way to be sustainable at that scale as Google is to monetize using the data. You can always go incognito.

> And in this case, what do you think would be the motivation of companies like Google who uses data to monetize for any innovation and provide better service? Companies have to sustain and the only way to be sustainable at that scale as Google is to monetize using the data. How about we don't allow companies to monetize any other way than directly? E.g. by having paying customers for their services? Killing all ad-s…

For rich people at least...

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#133

"Let that sink in for a moment: The selling point of this app is that Google will read your messages, for your convenience." If that's the author's objection, it's like the author never heard of Gmail. https://developers.google.com/schemas/tutorials/google-now-c...

Google voice? How do you think they tuned their voice recognition and their translations? Listening to all those free phone calls.

In my experience they still have a crazy amount of tuning to do. The translation is useful maybe 1/4 of the time. It's is what I would call accurate maybe 1/20.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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post #103

"Let that sink in for a moment: The selling point of this app is that Google will read your messages, for your convenience." If that's the author's objection, it's like the author never heard of Gmail. https://developers.google.com/schemas/tutorials/google-now-c...

It's a little different as gmail is useless without search. This is an extension to messaging that nobody was asking for. Furthermore, email was never secure to begin with. E2E encryption has finally been making its way to devices; this is a major setback for the effort.

"It's a little different as gmail is useless without search."

Are you suggesting the reason they read your email is for search? What about the ads they serve on the promotions tab? What about the fact that it can parse my travel plans and add it to my google calendar? There's a lot more than just search going on.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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post #93

I pay cash for all my transactions. I don't own a car because I fear that the registration systems for licensing and taxes will gather information about me and we know that those government data systems are most vulnerable to attack. When I travel, it's by bus only - requiring a form of identification at the airport is a front to government spying. Unfortunately, the bus systems are starting to require too much infor…

I'm sorry, but the obvious sarcasm expressed here is all too common among the slightly younger engineers and related tech company people I work with. They believe that trading traditional notions of privacy for the shiny, novel conveniences of Uber and Google Now is totally worth it, and they see no downside. There are a lot of reasons, I think. The biggest is that for most, there really isn't a downside, yet. How ma…

> How many people are now identifiably being turned down for jobs, apartments, dates, and airplane tickets based what the four or five companies that define our identities online record, store, calculate, and sell?

Brendan Eich lost his job due to information stored in a database.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And in this case, what do you think would be the motivation of companies like Google who uses data to monetize for any innovation and provide better service? Companies have to sustain and the only way to be sustainable at that scale as Google is to monetize using the data. How about we don't allow companies to monetize any other way than directly? E.g. by having paying customers for their services? Killing all ad-s…

For rich people at least...

Poor people are the one's who suffer the most from advertising.

First, it's calculated that a hefty sum of most product purchases is there to cover its advertising campaigns.

If you're rich of course those are peanuts -- what's 10% or 20% more on your groceries and other such purchases? Instead of, say, $40,000 you'll spend $45,000 but no big deal, since you make $1,000,000 per year anyway. But for a poor person, $500 vs $600 is a much bigger deal.

Second, most people (even if they think otherwise) would buy less stuff, and less pricey stuff, if it weren't for advertising. That's what sells a $2 dollar bottle of water that's basically glorified tap water over a 50 cents one, or even regular tap water. Without ads, it's mostly buying what you need, and based on utility, not rushed purchases because some ad hit some subconscious emotional strings.

Let's put it this way: if you're worth $N dollars to Google, those are $N dollars (and more) that Google ads will get you to spend. Advertisers (and companies getting advertised) are not doing it to lose money.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#138
"If you care about privacy, you shouldn't use your voice. Because the default is talking instead of whispering, if you aren't careful when discussing sensitive things, you might be overheard."

OK, reach and permanence are far greater with internet chat than with voice. But what we really need to teach our children is to be careful... full stop.

I like Google's suggested short reply options in Inbox, and look forward to the convenience of Allo's bot tech. I also applaud Google for providing a simple and easy way to switch to a private channel if it is needed - surely that is something to celebrate instead of denigrate?

Edit: Small grammar fixes.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#139
Not knowing anything about the author's background, I can only assume he is not very technically knowledgeable, especially when I read:

> but how many people use Incognito for every search?

and then later:

> Likewise, it’s smart to turn off location history in Google Maps because once Google has that data, it's out of your control.

By providing inputs to either service mentioned (Google Search or Google Maps), you are already providing them with your "private data". That's the entire point: you give Google a set of keywords, and it gives you answers. If you didn't want Google to know what you're looking for, why would you tell them?

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#140

I pay cash for all my transactions. I don't own a car because I fear that the registration systems for licensing and taxes will gather information about me and we know that those government data systems are most vulnerable to attack. When I travel, it's by bus only - requiring a form of identification at the airport is a front to government spying. Unfortunately, the bus systems are starting to require too much infor…

I think your post is sarcasm, but there's some lemonade to make from your lemons. In 2007, I removed all traces of myself from the internet. Now, if you search me, I don't come up (try it). I likely have google profiles, but I can be sure that none are tied to my real name. I've been arrested three times, but good luck finding my information in the system, after filing a DMCA takedown notice for violation of my intel…

Is this sovereign citizen crap?
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