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If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#51
I can't come up with a sane reason why opt-in privacy is acceptable. Signal is handling the issues that may arise without any issues and whatsapp is just hiding complicated errors from it's users per default so they aren't confused, but they still get encryption by default in both cases.

Opt-in end-to-end encryption is an anti-feature.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#52
"Let that sink in for a moment: The selling point of this app is that Google will read your messages, for your convenience."

If that's the author's objection, it's like the author never heard of Gmail.

https://developers.google.com/schemas/tutorials/google-now-c...

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#53
post #51

I can't come up with a sane reason why opt-in privacy is acceptable. Signal is handling the issues that may arise without any issues and whatsapp is just hiding complicated errors from it's users per default so they aren't confused, but they still get encryption by default in both cases. Opt-in end-to-end encryption is an anti-feature.

Anti-feature for your use case. Plenty of people prefer to trade convenience for anonymity.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#54

What bothers me more than the lack of privacy or encryption is the idea that we are giving our voice to machines. We are moving to a society where we let technology speak to our friends and loved ones as if they were us. Something essentially human is being lost in that process.

That's a complicated topic. I could expand on my thoughts on it, but I'm pretty busy today. Have your people call my people and we'll set something up.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#55

I find it super interesting that this is on the front page at the same time as a ex-Google design ethicist is talking about respecting the user ahead of commercial interests.

Providing an automated assistant that can mine your data to make communication more convenient is respecting the user.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#56

Google would be insane to not offer some version of end-to-end encryption in a chat app in 2016, when all of its biggest competitors have it enabled by default. Who are all of its biggest competitors? Messenger sure doesn't do this (does it even have E2E at all?), Skype doesn't, either. Telegram, even if you considered it a big competitor, did they finally enable E2E by default? Or do you still have to open a "secure…

I think this is the most important to me. On Android, this is only the second app that is likely to have a large userbase and e2e encryption for chats. The fact that its opt-in is a non issue to me.

Didn't know WhatsApp had default e2e encryption. Might install it and check it out. I imagine it sends some sort of personal information back to the facebook mothership, though.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#57
post #36
post #5

You can't have Allo's friendly and useful features AND have end to end encryption. Allo has struck a good compromise. Allo's secure mode is enabled by OWS, which has a very solid reputation for privacy. This along with new security features in Android N make Allo likely to be impervious to threats short of an NSA TAO full-on attack and/or a black bag job. It would be dumb to discourage use of such a tool.

You could have your server doing the search and aggregation job Google has centralized. Google could have sold those servers as home appliances, each of them spidering only those parts of the world our phones know we care about or we will. Travel next week to Berlin? Start downloading maps and transit schedules for there. I'm sure that it could be engineered to be as effective as what we have now. A centralized searc…

Why would you bet on the latter?

https://www.google.com/work/search/products/gsa.html

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#58
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People, he's being facetious. But also specious.

There's nothing here to indicate that; not retroactive commentary at the end, nothing. If (s)he's trying to make a joke to make a point, (s)he's doing neither.

All kinds of clever and subtle things become possible in human communication when you stop insisting on overt signposts to interpretation and instead rely on your wit, experience, and judgment to resolve (or accept) possible ambiguities.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#59
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing here to indicate that; not retroactive commentary at the end, nothing. If (s)he's trying to make a joke to make a point, (s)he's doing neither.

All kinds of clever and subtle things become possible in human communication when you stop insisting on overt signposts to interpretation and instead rely on your wit, experience, and judgment to resolve (or accept) possible ambiguities.

There is nothing in his post to assume humor either way, "overt signpost" or not. This is written text, where you don't have the signposts that vocal communication allows, such as sarcasm. I don't insist on "overt signposts" but I'm not going to pretend that there was anything in the post to make the author's point clear. So here I am relying on my wit, experience, and judgement and I have no way to resolve either way. So I'm going to assume the author is trying to make a serious comment.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#60
post #15

Relax; it's a Google side product. With 95% certainty, it'll be dead within one year.

I consider myself an optimist, but it's hard to look at Google's history and not agree with you.

http://www.wordstream.com/articles/retired-google-projects

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