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Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by zamalek »

octobyte wrote: post #119
zamalek wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair remember that Atko (the Voat founder) has always maintained that he would act when authorities told him to. This wasn't a buckling under pressure: it was following the law (albeit reactively and not proactively). However: The whole scenario is an utter joke: Reddit is thought-policed to the point of unbelievable absurdity. It's like a nursery school filled with Rachel Dolezals. Voat is filled with people w…

> It's like a nursery school filled with Rachel Dolezals. I'm sorry, but what does that even mean??? Please, enlighten me on how a community openly filled with racist (chimpire) and sexist (candidfashionpolice, not even gonna list ones involving dead women or children) is "thought-policed." If you mean there are groups of Redditors that openly oppose such subreddits, then yes, those do exist. That is a far cry from t…

/r/LGBT and the events surrounding it are often cited as a good example of Reddit thought policing. Unaware of the story? You are making assertions out of turn.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by duncan_bayne »

keedot wrote: post #110
duncan_bayne wrote: post #36

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"I'm glad to live in a country where I'm free to say anything, but hate speech is prosecuted." I'm going to be optimistic for the future of humanity, and assume that was a (masterful) troll.

It always surprises me when Americans think their concept of free speech is the only model. Much, if not most of the rest of the western world does not share this view of unchecked speech.

Actually, I'm Australian (so, basically the British model but with more tolerance for swearing ;) ).

I just admire the American concept of free speech more than I do ours.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by frizbee »

empressplay wrote: post #98

Also, the "view counts" on the website are pure BS -- the comment view counts don't grow at the same rate the thread view count does, for example. The thread view-count grows at almost a clockwork rate, etc. I know, I know, Reddit pulled similar stunts in its early days but it still feels a bit dodgy.

Hi,

It's not a stunt, and you are purely speculating. The reason for the view count for the comments being different is very easy to explain: a comment may not have been posted at the same time as a post, and therefore has a different number of views.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by duncan_bayne »

soneil wrote: post #109
DanBC wrote: post #95

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That's a very common sentiment in eg England. Americans tend not to realise that their free speech laws are sometimes seen as extreme in Europe. It's not surprising they used a throwaway, they already got downvoted. (It wasn't me.)

The Westboro Baptist Church make an easily graspable example of this. In the US the consensus (if any) seems to be "vile, but within their rights". But they're banned from entering the UK or Canada, because we draw that line differently.

Well yes, where 'differently' means 'hypocritically'.

For example, you prevent anti-jihad activists like Robert Spencer from entering the UK to speak, but you're perfectly prepared to allow pro-jihad activists to live in the UK and preach hatred of Jews, women, and non-Muslims in general.

This is the problem with limits on freedom of speech - they allow people doing the limiting to ban speech they don't like, for no other reason that they don't like it.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by __z »

frizbee wrote: post #118
lqdc13 wrote: post #102

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Yup can't even browse with JS turned off unlike HN/reddit.

On the other hand, Tumblr requires JavaScript... and the sites you listed require it for voting and commenting.

I find it funny you reply to this and not my comment above... what does reinventing hyperlinks get you other than screwing up user experience????

Because Tumblr does it too???

What is the positive???

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by keedot »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #124
soneil wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Westboro Baptist Church make an easily graspable example of this. In the US the consensus (if any) seems to be "vile, but within their rights". But they're banned from entering the UK or Canada, because we draw that line differently.

Well yes, where 'differently' means 'hypocritically'. For example, you prevent anti-jihad activists like Robert Spencer from entering the UK to speak, but you're perfectly prepared to allow pro-jihad activists to live in the UK and preach hatred of Jews, women, and non-Muslims in general. This is the problem with limits on freedom of speech - they allow people doing the limiting to ban speech they don't like, for no…

That's a problem with politicians. Don't confuse the two.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by duncan_bayne »

keedot wrote: post #126
duncan_bayne wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yes, where 'differently' means 'hypocritically'. For example, you prevent anti-jihad activists like Robert Spencer from entering the UK to speak, but you're perfectly prepared to allow pro-jihad activists to live in the UK and preach hatred of Jews, women, and non-Muslims in general. This is the problem with limits on freedom of speech - they allow people doing the limiting to ban speech they don't like, for no…

That's a problem with politicians. Don't confuse the two.

Sorry, I don't understand. It looks (to an outsider) like politicians are selectively enforcing nebulous 'hate speech' laws to silence people they don't like. How is that not a built-in feature of hate speech laws?

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by DanBC »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #127
keedot wrote: post #126

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That's a problem with politicians. Don't confuse the two.

Sorry, I don't understand. It looks (to an outsider) like politicians are selectively enforcing nebulous 'hate speech' laws to silence people they don't like. How is that not a built-in feature of hate speech laws?

I don't quite understand your complaint. You say the UK doesn't have freedom of speech; you demonstrate that by giving an example of people who do have freedom of speech; you then mention people who are banned from entering the UK, but those people are banned because there is a risk of violence; you then say that that rule is not applied to violent Islamists who live in the country.

Of course it isn't! They live here, border controls are entirely the wrong tool to use for citizens.

Those border controls are used to prevent many Islamists from coming to the country.

And violent Islamists are dealt with using other laws.

A better example of uneven freedom of speech laws might have been the protections that Jews and Christians had (under racial discrimination laws and blasphemy laws) that were not extended to Muslims.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by cbd1984 »

zamalek wrote: post #106
milkworsethan wrote: post #53

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Translation: I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it.

> I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it. No, actually, koko very loosely defined actual free speech. In a nutshell free speech means that you can say whatever you please so long as you don't venture into what the American courts call "fighting words" (words/images designed to cause harm to another person or words/images that inspire others to cause harm to another person). Example: Let's…

That isn't how "fighting words" is defined.

Re: Show HN: Reddit alternative – decentralized social news site, no censorship

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Post by cbd1984 »

zamalek wrote: post #106
milkworsethan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it.

> I want free speech except I want people I don't like to not have it. No, actually, koko very loosely defined actual free speech. In a nutshell free speech means that you can say whatever you please so long as you don't venture into what the American courts call "fighting words" (words/images designed to cause harm to another person or words/images that inspire others to cause harm to another person). Example: Let's…

> However, I can't encourage people to go and harass or do harm to the hogs.

Yes you can actually. You just can't plan a specific crime at a specific place and time.

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