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Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by im3w1l »

rgbrenner wrote: post #100
tomp wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if somebody who already is in a position of power/authority/trust is accused of something like that? That's what I meant with "easy to ruin people's lives" (e.g. Strauss-Kahn).

Well, here in the US at least, that very often leads to them losing their job. And I'm not just referring to rape--even more minor offenses... for example, teachers have been fired for their offensive facebook comments. That isn't ruining their lives. They are free to go work elsewhere where other people's lives aren't put in their hands. I'll be more specific. This man was accused of rape and worked as a cab driver,…

Truckers are always away from their families. It is a very different life.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by _nedR »

ceejayoz wrote: post #36
RealGeek wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber hired drivers in India who does not even have a valid Delhi Transport commercial driver license required for all cab drivers in Delhi. Edit: > and the amount of rape happening in india is crazy, the government needs to do something about that, something more than blaming uber. Do you know that more women are raped every year in UK & US than in India? You hear a lot more about rapes in India because Indians are m…

> Do you know that more women are raped every year in UK & US than in India? Bullshit. Your link states "does not include cases of rape which go unreported, which are not recorded, and does not account for differing definitions between countries". http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/01/07... > Three-fourths of the perpetrators of India's 24,206 rapes in 2011 are still at large, and that's not even…

Lets take statistics for a type of crime that does almost always get reported.

Homicide rate in US : 4.7 per 100,000

Homicide rate in India : 3.5 per 100,000

Most of the world's perception of rape in India is based exclusively on foreign media coverage of the issue which presents a heavily skewed image compared to reality on the ground. Once the media settles on a popular narrative ("India is unsafe for women") they keep reporting every incident that reinforces that narrative. Fact of the matter is India has relatively low rates of crime (especially considering the poverty and inequality).

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by pkaye »

GrinningFool wrote: post #17
RealGeek wrote: post #10

Uber is not being banned just because of this rape incident. Uber did not following Indian laws & Delhi transport regulations, and operated illegally under the radar. Before this incident, Delhi Government was not aware about how Uber operated. This incident prompted Indian authorities to investigate the operations of Uber. Uber's stance is that we are not a taxi company, we are an app company; so we do not need to f…

No sexual offenses From the article: "Uber, which had employed the driver even though he had been arrested on allegations of sexual assault three years ago" THe implication there is that he had not been convicted of any offense - which means no sexual offense was [in the eyes of the law...] committed. I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand yeah, he was arrested for it and convicted or not, that's probably a risk U…

The legal process can move very slowly in India. It can take a decade for trials even for crimes with solid evidence.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by suprgeek »

Their troubles in India may get bigger: The Indian Govt. is thinking about banning them all across India [1]

Can't come soon enough for a company that heavily advertised itself as being the Safer option in India and conveniently actually skipped the background verification part of the process. Then the asshat CEO put the entire blame on the "System" in a finger pointing blog post.

"Move fast and Break things" Indeed.

[1] http://indianexpress.com/article/india/crime/delhi-rape-govt...

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by jessaustin »

RealGeek wrote: post #103
jessaustin wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I were in a position to hire/not hire those characters, I would definitely stipulate that they may not bring a gun to work...

Would you hire them to look after black kids?

Frankly I don't envision them in any public-facing role, let alone dealing with kids. However, there are numerous jobs that don't require regular contact with the general public.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by rgbrenner »

im3w1l wrote: post #121
rgbrenner wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, here in the US at least, that very often leads to them losing their job. And I'm not just referring to rape--even more minor offenses... for example, teachers have been fired for their offensive facebook comments. That isn't ruining their lives. They are free to go work elsewhere where other people's lives aren't put in their hands. I'll be more specific. This man was accused of rape and worked as a cab driver,…

Truckers are always away from their families. It is a very different life.

You've completely missed the point. There are other jobs a driver can do. He can deliver food or packages; transport goods locally; or drive buses or other public transportation.

There is NO way that "cab driver" is the only type of position he is capable of doing. And there are plenty of people qualified to drive a cab that are capable of doing it without raping anyone.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by makeramen »

krisgenre wrote: post #115

This combined with their app's shady activities ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8660336 ), it does seem like a very good idea to stop using it.

If you read any of the technical analysis, those claims are clearly unfounded and the hacker doesn't even understand how REST works: http://thenextweb.com/apps/2014/11/27/ubers-app-malware-desp...

As an Android developer, the root and vulnerability reporting behavior is pretty standard for bug tracking, and in Uber's case fraud prevention as well.

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by jessaustin »

It seems like every time I get tempted to have an ounce of sympathy for Uber, something like this comes up to disabuse me of that.

This morning's sympathy was inspired by local government shenanigans. They had some city-manager jackhole on the radio explaining that they had informed Uber back in July that they would be considering Uber's business, and furthermore they now plan to do that consideration at the February city council meeting. Shameless!

Re: Uber banned from operating in Indian capital after rape accusation

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Post by milesskorpen »

dethstar wrote: post #118
ajkjk wrote: post #106

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It's insane to discredit a valid point for being 'nothing but a feel'. You don't know if it's nothing or not. OP doesn't claim to prove anything and anyone reading can see that.

Well, false reports can not be considered false unless withdrew by the accuser. Otherwise is just a shot in the dark. It is completely valid to discredit a point with no source. And there's sources that say it is 2% false accusations (like most other crimes) and there's sources that says is 40%. Why are numbers so separate from each other? Because it's a shot in the dark.

Withdrawn != false. There are many other reasons (social pressure, for example) why someone might withdraw an accusation. Particularly when the legal system is extremely unlikely to convict.
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