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Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
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Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is no single social contract, but if there is, it very well has to be reviewed before we "fix" mortality. Just like I said. >any simulation more convenient and less dangerous than the exploration of the universe in person We have been risking our lifes to explorer our world for millenniums. Why would it be different for space?
Because we have unlimited time and unlimited things to consume on earth. Who'd give a shit about what's behind the horizon? I'm just saying the audacity to suggest to "fix" mortality is stunning. The implications are unforeseeable, on so many levels. People might not be as idealistic as you make them out to be.
> People might not be as idealistic as you make them out to be.
Well, not everyone needs to be "idealistic". There are a lot of people willing to risk their lifes just to see a little further behind the horizon. You are not one of them. And this is ok.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It would be so great if mankind is able to cooperate in the colonization of our solar system. We already collaborate for the exploration of the solar system, via robotic probes and giant telescopes. That's good enough. Colonization is an all different matter, and a weird one if you ask me. Earth is the largest place with a solid ground in the Solar system, and it's by far the most hospitable. Settling on an other p…
> Settling on an other planet like mars would cost an insane amount of money[1] and would at best double the available real estate for our species. Not quite. Having the technology to live on Mars or on the Moon would enable us to settle pretty much anywhere in the habitable zone of the system. Just imagine how much real estate can be built in the form of rings or tubes with materials mined from the Moon or the aster…
> Having the technology to live on Mars or on the Moon would enable us to settle pretty much anywhere in the habitable zone of the system. Just imagine how much real estate can be built in the form of rings or tubes with materials mined from the Moon or the asteroid belt.
To build something you don't just need raw materials. You need tools, man power, basically you need an industrial complex which currently only exists on Earth. The idea that you can mine raw minerals on an asteroid and somehow turn them into a house with a full life support is not realistic, to put it mildly.
> Also, keep in mind there are a lot of global catastrophes that could easily wipe out our civilization.
If you want to save the scientific and technological knowledge that makes a civilization, there are certainly cheaper and more efficient ways to do it than spending hundreds of billions in order to have a few people living in an hostile environment. It could even be argued that such a boondoggle might trigger the fate you were trying to avoid in the first place.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It would be so great if mankind is able to cooperate in the colonization of our solar system. We already collaborate for the exploration of the solar system, via robotic probes and giant telescopes. That's good enough. Colonization is an all different matter, and a weird one if you ask me. Earth is the largest place with a solid ground in the Solar system, and it's by far the most hospitable. Settling on an other p…
The history of the human race is a long succession of people contributing for something that other people will benefit from. Sometimes just knowing that you're enabling the dream is enough.
> The history of the human race is a long succession of people contributing for something that other people will benefit from.
I hope you will acknowledge that this applies to some of the most sinister parts of this history, though.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should really go see interstellar, I saw it last night and it is probably the closest thing to a 3hr version of that short video that exists. They are both really fantastic films. I would also add that interstellar is worth seeing in IMAX if you can.
Well, Interstellar would be okay if you removed the plot. Unfortunately all the SciFi bits and special effects were ruined by Hollywood schmaltz. ----- arguably the movie is already spoilt, but spoilers ----- And seriously, NASA couldn't find astronauts apart from a farmer? Someone falls into a black hole and SURVIVES. Is given the power by 5 dimensional light beings to alter time? The list could go on.
If this is the top of your list of what's wrong with the plot of Interstellar, it feels like you're really nitpicking.
1. It was clearly established he was an ex-pilot for NASA. To describe Coop as just a farmer is horribly misleading.
2. We don't actually know what happens in a black hole. There was certainly some questionable science in the movie, but given that they gave an explanation for what happened in the black hole, and we don't know what really happens to contradict the movie's explanation, this seems like a valid use of artistic license.
3. I'm not even sure what this means.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Settling on an other planet like mars would cost an insane amount of money[1] and would at best double the available real estate for our species. Not quite. Having the technology to live on Mars or on the Moon would enable us to settle pretty much anywhere in the habitable zone of the system. Just imagine how much real estate can be built in the form of rings or tubes with materials mined from the Moon or the aster…
> Having the technology to live on Mars or on the Moon would enable us to settle pretty much anywhere in the habitable zone of the system. Just imagine how much real estate can be built in the form of rings or tubes with materials mined from the Moon or the asteroid belt. To build something you don't just need raw materials. You need tools, man power, basically you need an industrial complex which currently only exis…
> You need tools, man power, basically you need an industrial complex which currently only exists on Earth. The idea that you can mine raw minerals on an asteroid and somehow turn them into a house with a full life support is not realistic, to put it mildly.
A very good point - which is exactly why we should do it. Depending on our industrial complex on Earth means that in case of a global natural or man-made disaster we could loose everything our civilisation has achieved so far, even if Earth stays perfectly habitable after the dust settles down. Encapsulating and packaging our civilisation also means creating a backup of our knowledge, both in science and arts - something that could become invaluable one day, even back on Earth.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Having the technology to live on Mars or on the Moon would enable us to settle pretty much anywhere in the habitable zone of the system. Just imagine how much real estate can be built in the form of rings or tubes with materials mined from the Moon or the asteroid belt. To build something you don't just need raw materials. You need tools, man power, basically you need an industrial complex which currently only exis…
> You need tools, man power, basically you need an industrial complex which currently only exists on Earth. The idea that you can mine raw minerals on an asteroid and somehow turn them into a house with a full life support is not realistic, to put it mildly. A very good point - which is exactly why we should do it. Depending on our industrial complex on Earth means that in case of a global natural or man-made disaste…
> Encapsulating and packaging our civilisation also means creating a backup of our knowledge,
You don't need to go to space to do that. It is much, much easier to build such "backups" on Earth, in the form of underground bunkers or something. As a matter of fact, such facilities already exist, for instance the Svalbard Global Seed Vault[1], or any of the secret bunkers built during cold war[2]. Survivalism is a terrible reason for colonizing space, for space is a very hostile environment in the first place, so it makes very little sense to consider it as a place to rely on for survival.
1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault
2: http://io9.com/the-secret-world-of-underground-bunkers-51160...
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You need tools, man power, basically you need an industrial complex which currently only exists on Earth. The idea that you can mine raw minerals on an asteroid and somehow turn them into a house with a full life support is not realistic, to put it mildly. A very good point - which is exactly why we should do it. Depending on our industrial complex on Earth means that in case of a global natural or man-made disaste…
> Encapsulating and packaging our civilisation also means creating a backup of our knowledge, You don't need to go to space to do that. It is much, much easier to build such "backups" on Earth, in the form of underground bunkers or something. As a matter of fact, such facilities already exist, for instance the Svalbard Global Seed Vault[1], or any of the secret bunkers built during cold war[2]. Survivalism is a terri…
Coming from an Engineering background we should all know that building something that actually works as a test case is the only way to know for sure for complex systems. Civilisation being the most complex system we have, I don't think that any group of individuals can account for everything that is needed in order to rebuild it. Lots of the underlying problems will only surface once a working 'civilization 2' is being attempted.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Encapsulating and packaging our civilisation also means creating a backup of our knowledge, You don't need to go to space to do that. It is much, much easier to build such "backups" on Earth, in the form of underground bunkers or something. As a matter of fact, such facilities already exist, for instance the Svalbard Global Seed Vault[1], or any of the secret bunkers built during cold war[2]. Survivalism is a terri…
Coming from an Engineering background we should all know that building something that actually works as a test case is the only way to know for sure for complex systems. Civilisation being the most complex system we have, I don't think that any group of individuals can account for everything that is needed in order to rebuild it. Lots of the underlying problems will only surface once a working 'civilization 2' is bei…
All the more reasons not to make things more difficult than necessary by building those things in space.
Re: Wanderers: a short film of humanity's expansion into the Solar System [video]
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had that picture as my workstation's wallpaper. People dropped by and asked where I took the picture. I loved to explain to them the picture was taken by a robot on Mars. There is also another one, with a small Earth shining above the horizon. That too was my wallpaper, and that too caused countless people to be amazed. Inspiring people is important.
I used it as a wallpaper for a long time too :) > There is also another one, with a small Earth shining above the horizon. Do you mean a shot on Mars? Can you link to it please?
I'm having trouble getting to the files myself (the NSA proxy must be offline), but depending on networking conditions, you may be luckier: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/news/whatsnew/index.cfm?FuseAct...