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Re: Firefox 29

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Post by mateuszf »

danford wrote: post #92
pjmlp wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The whole resources view - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. - JavaScript code completion

> - The whole resources view I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. > - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) is this what you mean? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Profiler > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. You can do this now (at least in nightly) > - JavaScript code completion Works in the JS console.

Another thing: stack traces allowing to go back even after async calls / promises.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by espadrine »

andreis1 wrote: post #104
dilap wrote: post #63

I love Firefox -- for what it's done, what it represents, and what it helps guard against. I have fond memories of those early versions of Firefox (nee Firebird) that busted open the IE monopoly, and where hands-down the best browser going at the time. But it's never felt very good on the Mac to me, and it still doesn't. Here's a few early thoughts on this release, from the perspective of a happy Safari user, w/ a pr…

Wrt the 'omnibox vs address-and-search' conundrum: why not just let the user decide in Settings, defaulting on omnibox?

The user can decide. You can remove the search bar in the customization interface.

But the default has to be to show the search bar because of contracts they have with search partners, I believe.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by brudgers »

[Sorry for going meta]

As I write this, the story is about one hour old, there are 118 other comments and the top voted comment - the top voted comment - is criticism by someone who doesn't use Firefox. The comment is totally without technical analysis of why Firefox does what it does nor does it mention anything that FireFox gets right. The only positive thing the author says involves dragging out some tired anti-microsoft trope.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7667040

That's the problem when stories have this sort of velocity. The quality of comments goes down to the point where "It doesn't try to be an Apple product" is what collects the most upvotes. It's little more than trolling for defenses of FireFox and Safari fan upvotes.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by fournm »

super_mario wrote: post #89

Fucking idiotic morons. Completely ruining what used to be a good browser. I've had enough of this shit. Every single updated has to fuck up my Pentadactyl experience. That's it. I give up. If I can't use Pentadactyl, I have 0 reason to use Firefox. Goodbye. I'm removing it from all my computers and never looking back.

I use Pentadactyl with it just fine in the Aurora channel and have since it first landed.

Part of the problem, though, is that the guys at Pentadactyl messed with userChrome.css as part of the newest pentadactyl builds, which causes a TON of issues with other addons (especially anything that adds a toolbar). Vimperator doesn't do it, but ew Vimperator, so.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by rlx0x »

pjmlp wrote: post #62
sawrubh wrote: post #27

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Any particular feature you would like, that is missing?

- The whole resources view - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. - JavaScript code completion

besides the ever-growing list of powerful features (async stack traces?!), I would add usability, I regret clicking "Inspect element (Q)" every time, also the only reason I have a chromium running I prefer firefox otherwise ;)

It always amuses me when people think the Firefox Developer Tools are equal to the Chrome DevTools. They really can't be using either of them very much.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by epochwolf »

DatBear wrote: post #71
epochwolf wrote: post #46

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OS X's full screen apps aren't maximzed windows. If I put Sublime into full screen mode, there's no window, no menu bar. It's a text editor taking up the entire screen. If I were to maximize Sublime on Windows, Linux, or OS X (green button), you still have the chrome from the windowing system and the OS's menu bars. Also, the parent comment makes no claim Apple invented anything, he/she is just drawing a comparison p…

There was little need to reference Apple though, as Firefox can do the exact same thing by pressing F11 (on Windows).

I disagree. The reference why Apple added Full Screen.

Why did Apple make a Full Screen feature in their operating system? Minimalism and simplicity.

Why does Firefox have a fullscreen option? Because most browsers had that option and it's a useful feature once in a while. Not a compelling reference.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by nailer »

drewblay wrote: post #115
nailer wrote: post #91

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>> Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. As a user, I don't want to have to make this distinction, and it's hard to imagine most users-on-street wouldn't find this confusing > Use the customizer. Most users-on-street don't want to customise either. Edit: The moderation on this is baffling. Does anyone genuinely believe users want to customise to achieve reasonable defaults? HN should ban new users from m…

> Most users-on-street don't want to customize either. Most users on the street aren't on the hacker news forum. Also if you are going to play the "most users on the street" game, then most users on the street aren't going to install a browser that didn't come with the OS.

> Most users on the street aren't on the hacker news forum.

I don't think anyone said they were.

> then most users on the street aren't going to install a browser that didn't come with the OS.

That's true. So it's even more important to retain them by having sensible defaults.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by billiam »

Um, just wondering how people feel about actually using FF 29, rather than talking about what it isn't? A really great browser is being obscured by a bikeshed.

tl;dr It's awesome.

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by chris_wot »

davexunit wrote: post #61
chris_wot wrote: post #59

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Turn off search suggestions.

I don't use Chrome, but from what I recall it's not that simple. Better to use Chromium instead of Chrome.

I believe it is that simple. If you can find them sending your keystrokes through any other means, then please download Fiddler and write a blog article with the results of your testing :-)

Re: Firefox 29

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Post by mohamedattahri »

dilap wrote: post #63

I love Firefox -- for what it's done, what it represents, and what it helps guard against. I have fond memories of those early versions of Firefox (nee Firebird) that busted open the IE monopoly, and where hands-down the best browser going at the time. But it's never felt very good on the Mac to me, and it still doesn't. Here's a few early thoughts on this release, from the perspective of a happy Safari user, w/ a pr…

The main problem for me is how memory-hungry this browser is. How can a single tab opened on HN use 500MB?
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