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Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by jameshart » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:07 PM UTC

nirnira wrote: post #80

giarc wrote: post #38

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I have never owned an Android device however recently had some exposure when a colleague asked about battery life. I went through her settings etc to see what was enabled/not enabled and found a battery graph. It gave a breakdown of how much power each app was using and a graph of the battery charge over time. I was quite impressed. There is no native iPhone equivalent and I find most 3rd party apps that claim to tra…

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Android offers: 1) Generally much easier rooting/access to bootloader/custom ROM installation than iOS. 2) Install custom keyboards, home launchers, icon sets 3) Change default web browsers, caller, messaging apps to third-party alternatives 4) Full access to filesystem 5) Fully customisable homescreen widgets 6) Full sharing intents system 6) Generally more "computery" interface -…

I am sorry, but I read that as Android offering 1) an easy way to make your phone completely unstable and possibly break it permanently; 2 (and 5)) a variety of ways to make your already chaotic phone UX even more ugly and unusable; 3) ways for third party apps or social engineers to replace core system features with adware-infested malware (like browser toolbars on Windows)....

6, I like, though; applications providing services to one another is a great idea. But when you combine that with "full access to the filesystem", you don't -need- an intents system for inter app communication, you can just save files and open them in different apps. It's this kind of inconsistency of what Android is actually trying to do - be computerlike, or be a walled garden 'appstore' ecosystem - that contributes to the overall chaos of the UX.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by melling » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:07 PM UTC

reddit_clone wrote: post #95

cmiller1 wrote: post #32

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Not upgrading until there's a working jailbreak.

I am still holding on to my iOS 6. I don't like all this watered down, colorless and flat UI experience.

But it doesn't matter to software developers, especially small developers. Catering to jailbroken phones and people who don't like iOS7 is an opportunity cost that would only hurt. It's almost always better to use the new API's, along with bug fixes in the latest version.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by e1ven » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:09 PM UTC

melling wrote: post #10

And the biggest feature of 7.1 is that within a few weeks 4 out of 5 iOS users will be running 7.1. http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/01/apple-80-percent-of-act...

Given that Apple still sells an 16GB iPhone (for some baffling reason) I wonder what percentage of users will not have the necessary 4GB of unused space.

Anecdotally, Several of my officemates have had this issue.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by codr » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:12 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #119

nirnira wrote: post #80

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That's just the tip of the iceberg. Android offers: 1) Generally much easier rooting/access to bootloader/custom ROM installation than iOS. 2) Install custom keyboards, home launchers, icon sets 3) Change default web browsers, caller, messaging apps to third-party alternatives 4) Full access to filesystem 5) Fully customisable homescreen widgets 6) Full sharing intents system 6) Generally more "computery" interface -…

More work for the user to do is a symptom of a less advanced system.

this!

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by smokey_the_bear » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:13 PM UTC

knoopx wrote: post #75

"most advanced mobile OS" an os where you can't choose the default application to open your mail or files and where you have to double click home button and tap to go back to the app you were before. I'm sorry but apple lost the "most advanced mobile os" battle time ago.

You can also four finger swipe to your last app.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by codr » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:14 PM UTC

kbar13 wrote: post #39

Am I the only one who is anal about the excessive use of periods in these marketing pages? > Getting the update is easy. Go to Settings. Select General. And tap Software Update. cmon, commas were created for a reason.

Not quite the only one.. but close! =]

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by cheald » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:17 PM UTC

gress wrote: post #111

cheald wrote: post #106

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It's somewhat disingenuous to say that the OS doesn't manage power consumption adequately; it defers to apps to let them decide what resources they need and when, which permits for a hell of a lot more flexibility than iOS (remember when Pandora wouldn't play music in the background for approximately forever?), at the cost of a misbehaving app chewing up more battery than it should.

It's not disingenuous at all. What you describe is the user managing power consumption rather than the OS.

That's incorrect. The OS still does plenty of power consumption management, but it allows apps to tell it when they want the device to stay in a high-power state, because often you need that for legitimate functionality. It also allows the user to be the ultimate arbiter of power management because apps get it wrong sometimes. To conflate "doesn't impose tight restrictions on resource usage" with "doesn't do power consumption management" is silly.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by wlesieutre » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:19 PM UTC

roc wrote: post #87

wlesieutre wrote: post #74

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Biggest one that I've seen is apps regularly acting like I lost my internet connection. Hasn't been fixable without killing and relaunching them. I forget exactly which, but I think I've seen it in Apple apps too. Mail maybe?

iTunes Music has been horrible for this. I'll stream some music, then hit pause and walk away for a while. When I come back and hit play, most times it'll play out the buffer and then decide it has no internet connection, fixable only with a kill-relaunch. And some times it'll reboot the device altogether.

Oh that reminds me of a couple more. Tons of lag and crashes in the iTunes Store app, and tons of lag in Podcasts, along with chunks of the episodes lists showing up white when I knew there were episodes that should be there.

I also had an issue where around half of my music got corrupted during a sync. It acted like everything was fine, then as soon as I tried to play a broken song it would just skip it. Which was particularly irritating because it made "previous song" via 3-clicks on the inline play/pause button stop working. I'd have dead spots in the middle of playlists that I couldn't rewind past because it would hit them and immediately jump to the next song.

Resyncing seemed to fix the audio, but ran out of space because it left behind 4 gigs of cruft in "Other" that the storage page in settings couldn't account for anywhere. I had to do a restore to get everything working again.

So all in all, my experience with iOS 7 haven't been great.

EDIT: One more complaint in the design department, even though I don't mind the iOS 7 style as a whole. The new Music app is very clearly designed for the iPhone 5 and up with taller screens. The scrubber has gotten a lot harder to use, and if you're not precise enough you'll end up setting the song's rating instead.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by abemishler » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:20 PM UTC

iPhone 4 users BEWARE. My brother just updated his iPhone 4 to 7.1 and afterwards his phone wouldn't boot up fully. His phone is in recovery mode and his only option now is to do a factory reset.

Re: iOS 7.1

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Post by skrowl » Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 7:20 PM UTC

acangiano wrote: post #27

Having recently switched from an iPhone to an Android smartphone, I really question the "most advanced mobile OS" claim. Apple phones are more polished, more logically organized, easier to use, more intuitive... fair enough. But more advanced? Not by a long shot. The amount of features and customizable options on Android is insane. You can argue that this is not necessarily a good thing for the average user, but you…

Bundling up a bunch of userspace apps and calling it an OS upgrade is pretty advanced. If you don't think so, you haven't drank enough of the Apple zealot Kool Aid. Don't worry, there are plenty of people here at [Y] that can show you the light!