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Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by codelap » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:04 PM UTC

gisenberg wrote: post #112

codelap wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So on a local machine, in virtualization, you are running an IDE, SharePoint Server, SQL Server, IIS, TFS. If you aren't running it from a separate SSD drive then the problem has nothing to do with the IDE. You have an IO bottleneck.

I'm not sure where you pulled SharePoint and SQL Server from, and running the TFS client is a far cry from running the TFS server. That said, my experiences with Visual Studio only serve to underscore the point that my peers would prefer to avoid running a Windows VM altogether if there are open-source alternatives that are good enough.

From your comment, you said TFS. TFS is the server, which include SqlServer, Sharepoint, an OLAP cube, and the TFS server components. The TFS client extension, (which is not TFS) has been baked in for the last 2 versions. So I assume you're using VS 2010, and that is a much different beast. It has a lot more issues, but it's a much improved IDE.

As far as virtualization, why are you working in a virtual environment? What are your machine specs? What is the emulator? I'm genuinely curious, because I haven't encountered any of those issues.

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by josephschmoe » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:08 PM UTC

doczoidberg wrote: post #108

curveship wrote: post #107

As someone who has recently been hiring .NET engineers, I have to admit that this inspires mixed feelings. On the one hand, I can see huge power from combining AI and search with the structured context of programming. On the other hand, a disappointing number of the people we interviewed weren't software engineers, they were IntelliSync engineers. We'd give them a problem, and their first instinct was to hit a period…

In business it doesn't matter how you reach a goal. It's not about clean code, it's about getting fast, working results to a specific problem.

That really depends on your business. If you make an operating system, for instance, clean code is probably in your best interest.

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by codelap » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:08 PM UTC

crankpot wrote: post #106

gisenberg wrote: post #52

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I think it's less about not wanting to use Visual Studio and more about not wanting to have a Windows VM thrashing resources. I've worked with teams that have migrated to ServiceStack just to avoid running Windows. Assuming that running Windows is a non-issue, the parts that really, really bug me are: - Background operations suddenly become foreground operations that stall the IDE with a dialog saying "A background o…

I work in a .NET C# environment and I get all of these issues. Sorted in order of most annoying to least annoying, they would be: #2, #1, #5, #3, #4. I don't really mind 3 and 4. I'm just saying this to affirm that your experience is not unique to you.

The most annoying issue to you, is that you click the wrong button, and it does what it's supposed to do?

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by edwinnathaniel » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:16 PM UTC

sequence7 wrote: post #58

Tobani wrote: post #48

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I have done a lot of Java, Scala, etc. IntelliJ & Eclipse are both wonderful IDEs in their own right. A lot of things like ReSharper were in those IDEs before Jetbrains (maker of IntelliJ) made the plugin for VS. After trying VS for a couple of projects I found it completely baffling and backwards. And I don't think this is because VS is bad, but because the way I approach software is completely different. I want to…

It sounds like you just don't know Windows/VS/IIS as well as you know the other stacks which is entirely understandable since I'm guessing you don't work with them very often. For future reference you can compile VS projects from the command line if you want using MSBuild, that's all building in VS does. As far as IIS is concerned you can maintain all it's configuration via config files so an experienced Windows admi…

Is there a bulk license that Microsoft sells for a good price?

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by alkonaut » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:17 PM UTC

usea wrote: post #120

alkonaut wrote: post #109

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I could switch languages more easily than I could switch dev environment. The lock in to me is bssically simply that there aren't many other good language+IDE combos out there. There are plenty of languages that are interesting but very few come with a great IDE. I'd love to do Rust or Haskell all day, but I'm sure as hell not going to vim/emacs/sublime from VS. I almost envy those who never started using and IDE and…

I love Visual Studio, but many of the JetBrains IDEs are great too, like WebStorm and PyCharm.

Yep, and VS isn't really "complete" without resharper which is a shame because the full versions of VS are already quite expensive.

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by guiomie » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:20 PM UTC

Everytime something C# is posted it's all about MS and why some like or dislike C# or .Net, rarely are the comments related to the actual article.

Personally, I think this new feature is cool, but I've come to realise that my visual studio freezes way more then initially, I think this might be because I've got a few addons installed (ex: Demon, Resharper ...etc) I wonder what will be the overall performance impact of this.

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by guiomie » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:21 PM UTC

sequence7 wrote: post #58

Tobani wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have done a lot of Java, Scala, etc. IntelliJ & Eclipse are both wonderful IDEs in their own right. A lot of things like ReSharper were in those IDEs before Jetbrains (maker of IntelliJ) made the plugin for VS. After trying VS for a couple of projects I found it completely baffling and backwards. And I don't think this is because VS is bad, but because the way I approach software is completely different. I want to…

It sounds like you just don't know Windows/VS/IIS as well as you know the other stacks which is entirely understandable since I'm guessing you don't work with them very often. For future reference you can compile VS projects from the command line if you want using MSBuild, that's all building in VS does. As far as IIS is concerned you can maintain all it's configuration via config files so an experienced Windows admi…

You can also compile from the cmd prompt with devenv .

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by guiomie » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:24 PM UTC

derefr wrote: post #118

curveship wrote: post #107

As someone who has recently been hiring .NET engineers, I have to admit that this inspires mixed feelings. On the one hand, I can see huge power from combining AI and search with the structured context of programming. On the other hand, a disappointing number of the people we interviewed weren't software engineers, they were IntelliSync engineers. We'd give them a problem, and their first instinct was to hit a period…

> We'd give them a problem, and their first instinct was to hit a period and start hunting through the method options that IntelliSync gave them to see if one got them closer to their goal. I use dynamic languages and have never touched an IDE, but I still do this. If I find out I need some feature provided by libfoo to accomplish a task, then, before I even look up the libfoo docs, I try this, or an equivalent: requ…

what language is this ?

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by arikrak » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:28 PM UTC

This is the beginning of a practical StackSort:

http://gkoberger.github.io/stacksort/

A lot of programming can involve Searching, but it doesn't have to involve searching with plain-text. One would have thought Google would work on this, but they closed down their code search and haven't offered anything else.

Re: Introducing Bing Code Search for C#

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Post by githulhu » Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:28 PM UTC

codelap wrote: post #123

crankpot wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in a .NET C# environment and I get all of these issues. Sorted in order of most annoying to least annoying, they would be: #2, #1, #5, #3, #4. I don't really mind 3 and 4. I'm just saying this to affirm that your experience is not unique to you.

The most annoying issue to you, is that you click the wrong button, and it does what it's supposed to do?

Sure, but why have features that block the UI for an indeterminate period of time with no way to interrupt? You paid a lot of money and you expect the experience to be good.