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iOS 7 looks familiar

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Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by gurkendoktor »

1morepassword wrote: post #60
cheald wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something that really, desperately confuses me. Apple is supposedly the king of intuitive design, and yet here, you have literally the first interface people will see on the phone, with an interaction model which is completely impossible to intuit, and only works for people who are already trained in how to complete the action. I get the desire to eliminate depth, but that little slide gutter and right-pointi…

How do you know this if you haven't physically used it? And why on earth do people assume Apple hasn't thoroughly tested this? They may get many things wrong, but it's insane to thing they overlooked that part.

One possible explanation - because thorough usability testing with outsiders would have led to leaks.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by daddy2twin »

Flat design has been around for a while. I remember seeing them on phones before iPhone 1, and also on various Linux desktops. People says Microsoft or Google did this first hasn't been around enough.

Personally, I like previous version better.

As for other features, iPhone jailbreaking community should take more credit then Google or others, quick access to wifi and other settings. I remember seeing them on jail broken iPhone way before Android.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by SEMW »

snowwrestler wrote: post #61

Where oh where did Microsoft get the idea to totally rebuild their mobile OS around the concept of a full-face capacitive touch-screen?

Microsoft and Palm have been building full-face touch-screen mobile devices since the late 1990s. Full-face Touch-screen PocketPC phones started coming out in 2002ish.

Yes, they were resistive rather than capacitative touch-screens. That wasn't because it didn't occur to anyone to use a capacitative touch-screen before Apple, it was because the technology wasn't mature enough before around 2006/7. And if even you want to make the (silly) argument that whichever manufacturer happens to be the first to bring out a full-face capacitative touch-screen phone can somehow claim to have invented the concept, that honour goes to the LG Prada.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by ruswick »

rustynails77 wrote: post #90
bdt101 wrote: post #86

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Even if these are just trends, we now see Apple following trends rather than setting them. That's a significant change.

Noone should see this as Apple copying anyone. There are designs that work well with phones - and to be honest, there aren't too many of them within today's technology. If something works, designers use it. There should be no better argument that software patents (in most instances) are idiotic.

The argument would be reasonable if Apple hadn't exacted hundreds of millions of dolars from competitors for "copying" superficial and trivially obvious UI elements from iOS.

No one is arguing that this sort of copying is wrong. Instead, they are merely identifying the inherent hypocrisy and irony in Apple's actions over the past year.

I agree that patents are imbecilic and Apple v. Samsung was one of the lowest points in the industry's history, but it just seems absurd that Apple can lament how other's have "copied" them, only to turn around months later and "copy" wholesale many features from other platforms.

Can Apple take elements from Windows Phone and Android? Yes, that is reasonable and benefits the industry as a whole. Do I, as a current Apple user, benefit from this process? Yes; good design trends make for a better experience. Does it seem dickish? Yes.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by gurkendoktor »

benaiah wrote: post #81
infinitone wrote: post #73

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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

It's actually not an ad hominem . A firm grasp of language, grammar, and communication is actually recognized, albeit informally, to be a good signal of technical skill and design effectiveness. If he can't refine his linguistic communication well enough to convey such a simple sentence, how can he be expected to refine his visual communication (i.e., UX design) well enough to surpass one of the leading UX teams in t…

I'm not saying that it is an ad hominem, but I've read through the page and I think the connection between grammar and design skills is a red herring. The page considers this an ad hominem too, even though having a grasp of logic is clearly important for making A's statement:

A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a mammal." B: "Well, you've never had a good grasp of logic, so this can't be true."

Maybe I'm not seeing the difference though (not a native speaker, just curious).

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by cbrauchli »

bennyg wrote: post #91
Geee wrote: post #85

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No, this isn't true this time. I have been using iOS 7 on iPhone 5 for a day now, and I have mixed feelings. I have always trusted Apple to 'get it right' and be delighted with thought-out details and just no-frills great UX. I know it's Beta, but it honestly looks and feels like Android with a bit of lag here and there, some stuttering animations, confusing unlock and answer call screens, too thin fonts for my taste…

What phone are you using? How much system memory do you have left? There's a lot of reasons for lag beyond just a new OS. Some of those things could be exacerbated by the new OS, but for another datapoint, I'm running an iPhone 5 with 3.1/16GB used and I'm not experiencing any lag. The animations are a delight. I am, however, not a fan of some of the graphical choices they made. A few subtleties like a thin 1px inset…

I have an iPhone 5 with 8GB free space and am experiencing lag and low frame rates quite a bit.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by brown9-2 »

The incoming phone call and last screenshots are unfair - the iPhone of today would look a lot more similar to Windows Phone and iOS 7 if there was a facial photo of the caller and if the background image was a bunch of dots.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by Oculus »

"We(Apple) have always been shameless about stealing great ideas" - Steve Jobs

We progress by improving upon the current best. Clearly Apple felt that Microsoft had taken some steps in the right direction.

Re: iOS 7 looks familiar

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Post by SEMW »

cheald wrote: post #28
philthesong wrote: post #18

We are talking about smartphone screens. There are not lots of flexibilities for UI design. You either slide up or to the side for a lock screen. And what about time?

Sure there are. Android has seen a lot of different lock screen types - drag the small circle out of the big circle, drag the small circle into the big circle, "rotary dial" unlock, pattern unlock, and Samsung's (or was it HTC?) "fling the whole screen" unlock style. Contextual gesture unlock/launch mechanisms are actually pretty popular. Here's an example with 4 options, but that is by no means the only option set.…

The reason for all that creativity is to try and get around Apple's breathtakingly broad patent for unlocking a phone by moving along a "predefined displayed path".

http://www.google.com/patents/US7657849

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