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Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by gcr »

acqq wrote: post #57
anonymfus wrote: post #41

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Below there is a list not so important missing features. No thumbnails/previews in tab bar. No any customisation of toolbars. No fast forward. One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input. Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs. No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.

Bookmarks. I can't use the browser without normal bookmarks. The main reason I use Opera: Editing preferences for every site separately. Starting from the scratch and reimplementing everything that was slowly improved through many years is impossible. The proper way is replacing/improving piece by piece of the system. The management should have read http://www.insearchofstupidity.com/ But they won't blame themselves…

    > The main reason I use Opera: Editing preferences for every site separately.
Does firefox's about:permissions do what you want?

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by gcr »

learningram wrote: post #71
cookiecaper wrote: post #37

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Mozilla recently placed Thunderbird in a maintenance-only state, where active feature development has ceased but stability, security, and speed improvements will continue to be merged. This is why Thunderbird is on v17 instead of Firefox's v21 after graduating versions in lockstep with Fx for a while. It doesn't mean they won't accept features, they've just stated that they're not going to be focusing any of their de…

So what would be a good client on Windows ?

Inky is an excellent mail client. http://inky.com/

There was a thread on HN a few months back that talks about its unique security/password sharing model. It's clear that the developers put a whole lot of love into it.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by mrweasel »

It really fascinates me that no one, not even in the comments on the Opera blog, seems to have noticed that you cannot add a new search engine. I guess people are happy as long as Google is available.

Opera Next aren't going to be released next week, so they can still migrate a lot of features, but I do agree with those who are concerned that they won't manage to move "enough" features to keep all their old users. I also wonder how fare they are will to diverge from Chromium, the further away they go, the harder it might be to keep in sync.

One have to wonder: "How important is the desktop browser to Opera business?" Do they make enough money on the desktop version to make it worth porting every single feature in order to keep all their current users?

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by abrowne »

gtklocker wrote: post #35

A thing I've noticed is that pinch to zoom is much more smooth than Chrome in OS X. How do I switch tabs using my keyboard? Cmd- doesn't work, so does not Cmd-Alt-Left|Right.

Ctrl-tab works for cycling (and ctrl--shift-tab or ctrl-` for cycling in reverse), but I too miss either cmd-opt-arrow or (my preference) cmd-shift-[ and -].

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by spyder »

JungleGymSam wrote: post #111
HelloMcFly wrote: post #94

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What OS? I have Firefox for Windows and have no unclickable space between the top of the tabs and top of the screen. I've never experienced that before on any release I can remember.

See here: http://i.imgur.com/6LFXPbV.png You don't have that tiny (2px?) gap?

It's clickable for me and focuses the tab when clicked.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by acqq »

gcr wrote: post #121
acqq wrote: post #57

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Bookmarks. I can't use the browser without normal bookmarks. The main reason I use Opera: Editing preferences for every site separately. Starting from the scratch and reimplementing everything that was slowly improved through many years is impossible. The proper way is replacing/improving piece by piece of the system. The management should have read http://www.insearchofstupidity.com/ But they won't blame themselves…

> The main reason I use Opera: Editing preferences for every site separately. Does firefox's about:permissions do what you want?

I haven't tried Firefox, but I can tell you what I do in Opera: default settings are restrictive, then when I want to enable something on some site, I go to "Edit site preferences". The site name e.g. news.ycombinator.com is already there. And imagine I want to allow everything on the whole ycombinator.com, I just delete "news." then allow what I want (e.g. JavaScript).

That way I enjoy the quietness (by default) of the sites and the higher security of browsing. When I really, really need sites which depend on too much moving parts I start some other browser, but for day-to-day browsing I enjoyed not having to install any extension but still having something like "noscript." If Opera fails, I'll have to discover how to get similar functionality on some other browser.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by HelloMcFly »

JungleGymSam wrote: post #111
HelloMcFly wrote: post #94

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What OS? I have Firefox for Windows and have no unclickable space between the top of the tabs and top of the screen. I've never experienced that before on any release I can remember.

See here: http://i.imgur.com/6LFXPbV.png You don't have that tiny (2px?) gap?

I do have that gap visually, but I can click on it to focus on that tab.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by t0mislav »

blaabjerg wrote: post #83
andreastt wrote: post #50

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Guys, please remember that the browser has been rebuilt from scratch. It's going to take a while to get all of the features we want back in.

What makes you think they intend to get all the features we want back in? I hope you're right, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that's the case.

I'm afraid bunch of features will never came back, but hope I'm wrong. Settings menu looks terrible, everything is missing.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by iopq »

dubcanada wrote: post #101
iopq wrote: post #8

It's like I'm really using Chrome! Although probably everyone saw this coming - it's just a skin of Chromium. They just took a few months to make a new mail client and put Opera icons everywhere.

Oh yes, cause that's clearly all they have been doing. Not completely changing their entire business, learning how Chromium works, building their mobile version, changing a complete theme, separating mail client, I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. You clearly don't develop software, if you think all they did the last 3 months is add icons.

I do develop software, which is why I understand why it wasn't possible to just change things under the hood. This was inevitable when you think about it, you can't change to a new codebase and expect to have any of the old features that don't exist in Chromium.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by lostsock »

shrikant wrote: post #52
lostsock wrote: post #39

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Huh? I'm using chrome now and can easily select single letters, words or your whole comment. Care to elaborate? Windows 7 - Version 27.0.1453.94 m (which BTWI copied and pasted from Chromes about page)

This is what claudius means (screenshots from the latest versions running on Ubuntu 13.04): Firefox: http://i.imgur.com/2yPmm0K.png Chrome: http://i.imgur.com/EXz8wQF.png FWIW, I have the not uncommon affliction of selecting text on articles and blog posts as I read along. Chrome's text selection "paradigm" is greatly annoying as it tends to be a little, uh, unpredictable on layouts with a middling level of complexit…

Ahh yep, think I understand now. Thanks for the screenshots :)

Edit: And now that you've pointed it out the way that chrome does it is really annoying!

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