The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP • Hacker News Board

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by zmmmmm » Thu, May 16, 2013, 2:05 AM UTC

jmillikin wrote: post #115

zmmmmm wrote: post #109

This is incredibly confusing. The sentences seem to alternate, between "Your end users will be affected, you must do something" and "Your end users will not be affected". Some of the sentences seem to imply this is isolated to AppEngine ("Your users may use any chat client that supports XMPP","the changes discussed above have no impact on non-Google XMPP clients") and others seem to imply that Hangouts is going to co…

Standard XMPP clients still work. If you use Pidgin or Adium or other similar clients, you can still send and receive messages to Google users regardless of whether they're using Hangouts. If you have an App Engine instance, and it uses the App Engine XMPP Service[1] to send messages to people, then that will stop working for users who switch to Hangouts. [1] https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/using_xmp…

Thanks - that would seem to make the title of this submission to HN quite misleading (even if it is extracted directly from text of the source).

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, May 16, 2013, 2:07 AM UTC

andybak wrote: post #33

Well done everyone. Instant Messaging is now dead for me because all the people I used to chat with are now fragmented across 4 or 5 different services. Aside from those who gave up on IM for the same reason I now have to. You've all literally killed IM. Well done.

No dude. I'll just create one more alternative and amass a user based and then ??? and then profit! But I'll have an iOS app and an Android app, so that should cut it right? Fuck feature-phone users, Symbian/BBM/etc. Don't have a browser/desktop app.

Whatever. Google Voice is a dying product, and I hate them for what they've done, but at least the underlying transport is SMS and a portable phone number -- if I want I can host it myself in Plivo, which I plan on doing soon.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by drivebyacct2 » Thu, May 16, 2013, 2:34 AM UTC

takeda64 wrote: post #120

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #27

This seemed inevitable. This interface and backend is so inextricably tied to Google+ and Google's new infrastructure. I'm very disappointed. Google's services work well for me, they're well integrated, I love Android, but Android is no longer the bastion of freedom and openness I'd hoped for. I'll be very happy with Google Hangouts but I'm still waiting for the properly federated chat that appeals to the masses.

Well, the XMPP still works and is decentralized. Is also the biggest network. If that is not enough for you then I'm afraid you won't find any other alternative. You can set up your own XMPP server or use one of tons of the public ones: http://xmpp.net/ Edit: There's also jabber.org http://www.jabber.org/ which probably will operate as long as XMPP is still relevant.

Yeah, I (and tons of people, apparently) misunderstood the changes to XMPP. They are removing the federation however and that does affect interop with their network.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by xordon » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:12 AM UTC

WayneDB wrote: post #47

sp332 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

I wonder how Google would react if the websites that fuel it's search database started having TOS terms for search engines like "In your search results, you must also display the advertisements on the pages that you scrape". A few sites doing that wouldn't have any effect. Google would probably just remove them. How many websites it would take for Google to actually pay attention though? 20%? 30%? 50%?

The point of a search engine is to drive traffic to the pages that contain advertisements. MS was putting "eye's" on the content without the ads.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by subway » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:38 AM UTC

sp332 wrote: post #116

jlgreco wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite the clear warning signs, I am willing to put money on people whinging in a year or two when they shut down those servers, just like everyone got all upset about Reader.

There was no good replacement for Reader two years ago. There are plenty of federated XMPP servers around now.

Plenty of federated XMPP servers, true, but unlike Reader, XMPP requires other users on federated servers to be useful. Since the Reader brouhaha I'd been considering moving away from GApps back to hosting my own mail and xmpp. Now Google has made the XMPP side of that worthless, 87% of my IM contacts use G(Mail|Talk), and will switch to Hangouts.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by dudus » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:50 AM UTC

myko wrote: post #91

X-Istence wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is BlackBerry's BBM available to other platforms?

Not yet, but it is slated to come to Android and iOS in the near term. http://mashable.com/2013/05/14/bbm-ios-android/

If you don't support Desktop you are not cross platform

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by barista » Thu, May 16, 2013, 3:57 AM UTC

andybak wrote: post #33

Well done everyone. Instant Messaging is now dead for me because all the people I used to chat with are now fragmented across 4 or 5 different services. Aside from those who gave up on IM for the same reason I now have to. You've all literally killed IM. Well done.

Windows 8 and the windows phone 8 messaging apps bring a bunch of these together very nicely. My usage of IM (which includes SMS and facebook messaging) has gone up significantly ever since I switched.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by Shank » Thu, May 16, 2013, 4:36 AM UTC

ricardobeat wrote: post #20

sp332 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That app shows Youtube videos without ads. That seems like a clear violation of Youtube's TOS and I don't blame Google for being upset about it. Edit: I woulnd't flag the story though.

The AppleTV YT app doesn't show ads either.

Google negotiated a contract with Apple in that instance. This is the way the old iOS app worked too - Apple licensed the API in exchange for them building it.

The main issue is that partners that use revenue sharing couldn't restrict their videos from playing on WP devices that wouldn't generate ad revenue. Normally, you can block devices from having content if revenue sharing is unavailable, something Microsoft circumvented.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by Shank » Thu, May 16, 2013, 4:38 AM UTC

makomk wrote: post #75

yanw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gtalk will still be available though. "... which users may choose to use instead of Google Talk."

Will GTalk be able to communicate to users of Hangouts, though, or will everyone be forced over to Hangouts in order to continue to speak to the people who move over? I'm guessing the latter.

Yes, for now they're basically the same service. I'd imagine that this will change as Hangouts diverges more and more from what Talk supports, to the point where Talk will be killed due to disuse.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by clarkm » Thu, May 16, 2013, 5:04 AM UTC

andybak wrote: post #33

Well done everyone. Instant Messaging is now dead for me because all the people I used to chat with are now fragmented across 4 or 5 different services. Aside from those who gave up on IM for the same reason I now have to. You've all literally killed IM. Well done.

Ironically, after all this new fragmentation, a few friends and I have decided to move back to IRC. It has all the features we need, we know how to use it, it's not going anywhere, and it's not gonna start changing privacy settings on us.