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The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by jlgreco »

npsimons wrote: post #74
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish it were that easy. The problem with that is it at the end of the day, you're the only one at a disadvantage. The vendor doesn't need you and doesn't care. If your casual contacts and non-technical friends find communicating with you to be uncomfortable, they'll just move on without you.

And that sucks, and I don't like it, but I'm still not giving in. To be honest, I have a hard enough time keeping up with people I know IRL (which thankfully doesn't have these problems), and I can't see any of them cutting me off because I won't "upgrade" (they haven't yet).

This is a very good point. I think a lot of people tend to greatly overestimate the degree to which technology has the keys to their social life.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by neeee »

blippe wrote: post #51
recoiledsnake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rich when just today Google sent a C&D to Microsoft to take down the Youtube Windows Phone 8 app and refuse to make one themselves. "Google demands Microsoft removes YouTube Windows Phone app, cites lack of ads " https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5714520 That was after they started serving a degraded experience to Windows Phone on Google Maps, and restored access after people complained and called their blu…

Drop of activesync meant google don't have to pay a license fee. But your right, the world revolves around you.

They dropped caldav too.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by tuxracer »

pixelcort wrote: post #100

Considering that XMPP federation has been turned off for some time now, this really only hurts users using XMPP clients. I was wondering why my friends with non-Google Jabber IDs were never showing up as online, and one day figured out federation was turned off. This is as if a few months ago your email provider silently discarded emails to and from other domains, and just today abandoned SMTP and IMAP. The true fail…

Federation was turned off temporarily to fix an exploit then turned back on. I guess it's moot now.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by jmillikin »

neeee wrote: post #112
blippe wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drop of activesync meant google don't have to pay a license fee. But your right, the world revolves around you.

They dropped caldav too.

Google have not dropped support for CalDAV. It's still available, you just have to fill out a form first.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by jmillikin »

zmmmmm wrote: post #109

This is incredibly confusing. The sentences seem to alternate, between "Your end users will be affected, you must do something" and "Your end users will not be affected". Some of the sentences seem to imply this is isolated to AppEngine ("Your users may use any chat client that supports XMPP","the changes discussed above have no impact on non-Google XMPP clients") and others seem to imply that Hangouts is going to co…

Standard XMPP clients still work. If you use Pidgin or Adium or other similar clients, you can still send and receive messages to Google users regardless of whether they're using Hangouts.

If you have an App Engine instance, and it uses the App Engine XMPP Service[1] to send messages to people, then that will stop working for users who switch to Hangouts.

[1] https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/using_xmpp

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by sp332 »

jlgreco wrote: post #29
ricardobeat wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For now.

Despite the clear warning signs, I am willing to put money on people whinging in a year or two when they shut down those servers, just like everyone got all upset about Reader.

There was no good replacement for Reader two years ago. There are plenty of federated XMPP servers around now.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

npsimons wrote: post #67
stock_toaster wrote: post #64

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As a user, I am upset that it is getting harder to communicate with people. Everyone has their own non-interoperable (but cross platform!) protocols/networks/gardens now. * blackberry bbm * apple imessage * google hangouts * skype * whatsapp, etc. As a user, am I supposed to have an account with one of each of these things? Have nine different apps open all the time? This is as bad as icq/messenger/aim/etc was back i…

It's very simple: no XMPP? Then I'm not IM'ing with you. No SMTP? Then I'm not emailing with you. I might be the exception, but I don't care. I encourage others to do the same, and don't support in any way, shape, or form companies that keep doing these things. Someone comes to you with a problem caused by this BS (or just a problem with, say, the offender's platform in general), refuse to support them. Tell them to…

I'd love to live in this world with you. Literally, I think one friend I know, even of techie friends of friends that work in tech (msft, etc), would know what I meant if I said that without having to think for [too long].

It's why I'm so upset that a large network that had the potential to include a huge amount of people and volume AND LEVERAGE XMPP just spat in our faces.

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

aspensmonster wrote: post #105
r00fus wrote: post #38

Yay, the balkanization of chat. So much for babel/babble. Now you have iMessage, WhatsApp, Viber, Skype, Hangouts, etc. etc. The biggies will be the ones supported by large companies (ie, Skype, iMessage, Hangouts). So when will Amazon buy Viber or another smaller chat community?.

So... we're back to the 90s? AIM and ICQ and YIM and MSN? I CAN'T WAIT.

Sadly, it means the same tech as in the 90s will win out, because it is TRULY platform independent.

SMS. And as much as I hate to say it, iMessage has the best support/transparency for it so far

Re: The new Google Hangouts will not support XMPP

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Post by takeda64 »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #27

This seemed inevitable. This interface and backend is so inextricably tied to Google+ and Google's new infrastructure. I'm very disappointed. Google's services work well for me, they're well integrated, I love Android, but Android is no longer the bastion of freedom and openness I'd hoped for. I'll be very happy with Google Hangouts but I'm still waiting for the properly federated chat that appeals to the masses.

Well, the XMPP still works and is decentralized. Is also the biggest network. If that is not enough for you then I'm afraid you won't find any other alternative.

You can set up your own XMPP server or use one of tons of the public ones: http://xmpp.net/

Edit: There's also jabber.org http://www.jabber.org/ which probably will operate as long as XMPP is still relevant.

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