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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by exe34 »

nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

It's actually why I will never use any of Google's paid services like compute or LLMs or storage. I will not risk my access to important services. "Free" Gmail and search is all I will use.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by gamblor956 »

RIMR wrote: post #93

I completely understand the concern here, but the person linked is being dramatic and obtuse. The terms seem to directly relate to your Google Antigravity account. Google has limited GCP suspensions to its cloud service, not your entire account. That is the same spirit of this TOS and what the head of Antigravity has clarified. The terms already make it clear that the context isn't your entire Google account. Misunde…

Google has a history of doing account wide bans. If after more than a decade of complaints they have finally figured out service specific bans they need to tell people that.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by exe34 »

bingbong4748 wrote: post #113
Havoc wrote: post #30

Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts. And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

My mom’s Gmail account got banned for no reason whatsoever last week. Since then they removed her recovery number and 2FA as they ‘looked suspicious’. Access to nearly 20 years of emails, photos and docs gone in an instant. It’s been particularly painful because she used Google to log in to everything too, including for health records that she needs. There is no way of contacting anyone at Google about it and apparen…

I have an auto "checkout" every month and I download my data. I don't know if it's readable, I haven't checked, but it feels comforting. My email is also just a private name@domain that forwards to my Gmail. If I ever need to switch, it would be a simple update with my registrar.

(I'm aware domains can be stolen too, but I expect to have some leverage as I'm paying for that in the UK.)

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by mhitza »

bingbong4748 wrote: post #113
Havoc wrote: post #30

Banning the entire account rather than AI access is wildly user hostile. People have years of emails and calendars on their accounts. And then you get to fight the support bots and eventually go to the actual unofficial Google support - asking hn whether anyone knows someone with a pulse at Google.

My mom’s Gmail account got banned for no reason whatsoever last week. Since then they removed her recovery number and 2FA as they ‘looked suspicious’. Access to nearly 20 years of emails, photos and docs gone in an instant. It’s been particularly painful because she used Google to log in to everything too, including for health records that she needs. There is no way of contacting anyone at Google about it and apparen…

I hope this page can provide some guidance in the appeal process https://transparency.google/intl/en-GB_in/tools-programs/rep...

If not directly through what is offered there, under the DSA (eu citizens and residents) have further ways to appeal their decision, and also Google takeout should be a last option even for banned accounts.

If you have any luck post a followup on HN to guide other users having a similar issue.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by megagpt1 »

nairboon wrote: post #18

Just for reference, stuff like this is exactly why some people oppose the forced Apple/Google requirement in government systems like the new eIDs (eIDAS) in Europe. If you're forced to use Apple/Google for digital identification, playing around with your Google account and get it banned can have disproportional consequences. Suddenly you're locked out of all online government systems.

Which is funny because the government can't legally ban you from the government. If you suffer any consequences from this, the government is at fault in every case. Of course, good luck proving it while you're in jail.

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by OmniCrativeWorx »

danschuller wrote: post #4

Apart from the products not being very competitive this is the main reason I'm reluctant to use any Google models / AI products. The account is way to precious thing to lose based on some AI classifier misfiring and then you know there's good route to get it reenabled.

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Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by verdverm »

killerstorm wrote: post #44
hmokiguess wrote: post #11

The larger issue here is the fact that access to an account can hold you hostage and impact your life in essential services. We should really find a way to break the tightly coupling to these platforms, including mobile carriers, and not have to live in fear. Having a real representative of each platform in a government branch under regular hours that citizens can access with their documents so that any issues with i…

The government haven't noticed that email became as important as regular mail, unfortunately.

Perhaps they haven't seen https://jmail.world

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by ckocagil »

bryan0 wrote: post #107
simonsarris wrote: post #87

> The wording is confusing but the account in question is the Antigravity account. We will change the ToS wording here to make that clearer. - Varun Mohan on the antigravity team https://x.com/_mohansolo/status/2095529407033000260

There is no world in which it makes sense to take this risk. There are plenty of great alternatives where you don't have to worry about playing russian roulette with your entire online identity.

I'd rather go the other way and entirely decouple my online identity from Google (or Apple/Meta/Microsoft). Much better than constantly worrying about some crappy AI deciding to ruin your life with no recourse.

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Post by verdverm »

dylanowen wrote: post #64
segfaultex wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With open-weight models getting closer and closer to parity with frontier models for specific tasks (coding,etc) the frontier labs are trying to make moats via their software. Personally, this is why I foresee Anthropic/OpenAI/Google taking a bath once their creditors come calling. I think the individuals most attached to a specific app are the ones least willing to pay the true cost of inference. (IE: your grandma u…

Kind of ironic for these companies to make their moat software while at the same time saying that SaaS and software development in general is obsolete

"programming is solved" has also been said, I don't know how someone can say that with a straight face, let alone going on a podcast tour with it as the mantra

Re: Google Antigravity TOS: 3rd party usage can get Google account suspended

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Post by subscribed »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #82
giancarlostoro wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point, Google and Apple should be legally barred from fully banning you if it impedes you identifying yourself unless your account is hacked.

Google and Apple should be legally mandated to federate with nation state identity systems. This prevents them from revoking access, as the identity management is within nation state control vs big tech. You potentially have recourse with your government, you have no recourse with Google and Apple (current state). They may consume your identity for your benefit, but they may not control your digital identity. If a Bi…

> Google and Apple should be legally mandated to federate with nation state identity systems.

With which states?

I'm I'm a citizen of two and live in the third, potentially having eSIM of the fourth?

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