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Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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The fact that they'll ban kids from accessing every social media except Reddit tells you everything you need to know about the real motives behind this "ban".

I'm not on social media. But reddit seems slightly more intelligent than tiktok, instagram, X. What's the real motive then, according to you?

Reddit isn't more intelligent than tiktok, Instagram, X.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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I've said this to every single person who pushed for this. "Imagine you're a teenager, and your parents and government tell you to not do something... What will happen?" The answer is of course that they keep doing it anyhow. But hide it. As an Aussie, and a parent. What I wanted was that the government mandate that in order for your website or app to launch in Australia, that if you want to allow kids between certai…

What if that's the point? What if having to hide it means you do it less?

I haven't met a teen who behaves like this.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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What if that's the point? What if having to hide it means you do it less?

I haven't met a teen who behaves like this.

How many cigarettes did you smoke per day as a teen? Would you smoke more or less if you could do it anywhere anytime?

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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I've said this to every single person who pushed for this. "Imagine you're a teenager, and your parents and government tell you to not do something... What will happen?" The answer is of course that they keep doing it anyhow. But hide it. As an Aussie, and a parent. What I wanted was that the government mandate that in order for your website or app to launch in Australia, that if you want to allow kids between certai…

You’re probably too young to remember when anti smoking laws were introduced to Australia. It took decades to change behaviours and attitudes. The cigarette industry did everything in their powers to undermine the laws. The social media giants are playing the same game.

Berlin is 20 years behind and has been phasing out smoking over the past few years. People still smoke in pubs and clubs. But less. It used to be inescapable that you'd leave the place with your hair and clothes smelling strongly of cigarettes. It's no longer that bad even though some people defy the rule.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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These ones help people to stop or avoid smoking. If you want to smoke, you still will. As for social media, people don’t really want to stop or avoid using it

Everyone wanted to smoke. And then less people did. And the nobody did, apart from the ones who were already addicted. How do you attribute that?

Except ones who were already addicted make social connections with those who aren’t (yet).

You are right in the sense that less and less people smoke. You just can’t exclude that we are people and do stupid things to look cooler or something

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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I think it is a human right that I decide for myself what is good for me and what is bad for me. I have for example Instagram and Facebook, but only to look what kind of Magic the Gathering Events are at the weekend, do I look at reels and doom scroll? No. So I would not say I am addicted despite having a smartphone. Technology is in most of the cases not bad, and their use can enrich lives.

That's even worse than saying: fentanyl helps me overcome pain, so it should be felt available to everyone. You're either a hardcore contrarian or a hardcore libertarian. Or living under a rock?

Believe it or not, there are other ways for dealing with drug abuse then just banning everything. If one thing has become clear, it is that the war on drugs has failed. Instead of banning these products, they should be sold under a regulated and taxed system, with the tax revenue used to fund support programmes for those wishing to quit.

For example, in many countries that legalized Marijuana the number of addicts did not significantly rose. Further the police now have even less to do, as they do not need to control these people if they are taking this drug.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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Parent of a Year 7 kid here (that's the first year of high school and a very common age at which all kids have phones).

The social media ban has been a wild success in preventing 11-year-olds having their social connections locked into the major social media platforms. Prior to the ban, if you weren't on insta you weren't connected. Now my kid talks to other kids on the phone or sends SMS, but also doesn't really stay in constant contact with their peers outside of school hours, they do their own thing or organise socialising themselves.

It's been hugely positive for interrupting the hostile social media companies from hijacking kids' social connections for the purpose of addictive algorithms to drive ad revenue.

From what I hear, once social media use is embedded in the older teenagers, they are all working around the ban very easily. The social media companies have made no real effort to enforce the ban or comply at anything more than a minimum level, and I wouldn't expect them to as they have absolutely no concept of social licence.

It's beautiful to see civil society take back one little bit of freedom from psychopathic oligarchs.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

#128

Here in Australia, every parent I have spoken to is happy about the ban. The media is predictably unhappy since they lose eyeballs, advertising revenue and money. Previous approaches like expecting parents to educate children failed miserably. Most parents lacked at least one or more of motivation, time or knowledge.

> Previous approaches like expecting parents to educate children failed miserably.

Did you read what the article said?

> parental awareness of their [children] online habits had actually declined.

From that perspective, it's even worse now.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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I mean there was a time where only adults would typically have a mobile phone.

Times change. There was also a time where only man were allowed to vote, I do not get your point.

Point is banning phones for kids might be the kind of society I want to live in.

Re: Australia's social media ban has failed

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That's even worse than saying: fentanyl helps me overcome pain, so it should be felt available to everyone. You're either a hardcore contrarian or a hardcore libertarian. Or living under a rock?

Believe it or not, there are other ways for dealing with drug abuse then just banning everything. If one thing has become clear, it is that the war on drugs has failed. Instead of banning these products, they should be sold under a regulated and taxed system, with the tax revenue used to fund support programmes for those wishing to quit. For example, in many countries that legalized Marijuana the number of addicts di…

The drug dealers, i.c. Meta and consorts, do and will oppose regulation strongly. Didn't they get the blooming president of the USA himself to intervene on their behalf? That will lead too far too much leniency.

Furthermore, the supply chain isn't comparable to drugs: you cannot illegally import facebook, and you cannot make a ton of money out of it.

And legalization, i.e. the status quo, just keeps the problems too.

It's a bad metaphor.

BTW, I explicitly mentioned fentanyl. It is regulated. And we all know what happens when you release it for free. Now that I think about it, you didn't reply to the argument at all. You just mention war on drugs, then shift to marijuana in a kind of gotcha style and hope no-one notices.

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