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Re: BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising

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Post by nly »

beAbU wrote: post #100
dehrmann wrote: post #34

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It's like a basic Kindle. Or Ryanair. Between this, the proprietary nut patent, and the heated seat subscription, I'm probably not going to look at BMW for my next car. They've been going back on things, but all of this adds up to they don't get it.

How can you put Ryanair and BMW in the same category? Ryanair's whole shtick is "we'll treat you like cattle in a truck, and you'll be grateful you only paid €20 for the experience". I feel that anyone who is outraged by their nickel-and-diming doesn't really understand what Ryanair is about. If I paid €200 for a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam, and they forced me to watch ads on the seatback screen and charged me to…

The problem is a lot of people book Ryanair thinking they're going to save money and end up sucked in to these dark patterns.

I once flew from London Stansted (or maybe it was Luton?) to Dublin instead of from Heathrow with Aer Lingus to save a few bucks, and it never ended up saving me anything in the end.

With Aer Lingus the cheapest ticket includes 10kg of checked luggage, which is a nice middle ground between a tiny bag you can shove under your seat and a 23kg luggage

And Ryanair are not even cheaper most of the time unless you're prepared to fly at unsocialable times and forgo luggage.

Ryanair even seem to deliberately separate seats for adult passengers on the same booking so they can charge you extra to sit together...

Re: BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising

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Post by merpkz »

femto wrote: post #35
jchw wrote: post #18

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I don't think I'll be buying recent model years any time soon.

I'm beginning to think that my '96 Toyota Starlet is "peak ICE". It has EFI, no infotainment, no power windows, no power steering, no automatic transmission. It is basically an engine, gearbox and wheels. An electric Starlet would be Nirvana. Edit: Just read that Toyota is toying with the idea of an electric Starlet. It'll probably have an infotainment system and power "everything" though. https://www.drive.com.au/ne…

Electronic injection sounds like too complex system to maintain, now if it had an actual carburetor that might be a peak "ICE", true and pure mechanical experience. Jokes aside, I hope that car at least have airbags, otherwise it's just death trap

Re: BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising

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Post by eps »

ehnto wrote: post #51
rvz wrote: post #14

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> Part of BMW's value is/was the expectation of an upper middle class snob driving it BMWs are no where near for that "class". A Mercedes-Benz is for that and even they also put ads in their own dashboard screens. [0] So on HN-land, time to rule out BMWs, Chevrolets, Mercedes-Benz, Teslas, Volkswagens, Kias. What else? [0] https://www.motor1.com/news/797846/mercedes-screen-plays-ads...

Mercs and BMWs occupy the same market space. They are direct competitors. Mercedes may have a car or two that reaches just out of upper middle class but they are largely a middle to upper middle class brand, just like BMW. The fact that Merc would do it too just means they are both happy cheapening their brand to align with practices of cheap off-brand android TVs.

Mercedes is famously a company with the widest range of models, from entry-level budget cars to high-end luxury ones. It's basically their MO.

Re: BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising

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Post by mdp2021 »

microtonal wrote: post #114
mdp2021 wrote: post #105

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> Especially the lane departure ... assist was downright dangerous in snowy conditions And near cyclists... (Opposite to some configurations described nearby, some car models do automatically steer pushing the car in its lane, they do not just warn the driver.)

We have a car with lane assist. But as far as I have seen (but can be mistaken), collision avoidance has a higher priority, so it would prefer avoiding a cyclist ov er staying in lane (though if the road is small, it might just start breaking).

> collision avoidance has a higher priority

Apparently not all cars have collision avoidance towards the sides. The combination of HW and SW features now varies.

Re: BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising

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Post by tmcnally »

OptionOfT wrote: post #90
tmcnally wrote: post #82

BMWs have decent 'mod' support, if you fully own a msport/M you can be mitigating OTA updates in firmware to retain your perf/exhaust pops as regulations/OEMs change goals. Original firmware b58s (m340/z4m40) are infamously coveted for specific software/hardware versions... Same logic can be applied to this strange advert thingy

Engine modules are locked because of regulation to ensure that emissions control remain in place. Pops don't disappear with software updates. Pops disappeared in Europe because of the dreaded OPF.

Focusing on US, not EU: Had a 2020 m340i delivered pre2020 so lived through this. The niche market also understands this, C3 made a full breakdown presentation for the Volkswagen scandal (https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7331-the_exhaust_emissions_scand...) that makes your first point moot.

Re: BMW Spider-Man in-car advertising

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Post by Barbing »

merpkz wrote: post #120
Barbing wrote: post #110

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The infotainment thing is regrettable but nowhere near as bad as the cellular modems phoning home, constantly spying, possibly raising your insurance rates… Lucky for Big Brother they’ve blanketed this country (USA) in Flock cameras. New car, old car, they’re ready to pull over journalists in dealer loaners, people in the wrong place at the wrong time…

What stops your navigation app on phone collecting all the data anyways and sharing it with insurance corps?

Been asked that before—don’t always use one. Insurers will have to buy that data from the telecom if my phone’s on.

Not sure how common it is for Verizon, AT&T, Google (Maps), Apple (Maps) to sell to insurers (or brokers who insurers use). Perhaps pretty common? I’m sure they often can deanonymize it if they do.

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