Live data from Hacker News

Gleam Is Now on Tangled

tangled.org

121–130 of 162 posts

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#121
post #84

Picture this: someone “moderates” your bluesky account for some unrelated reason and you’re no longer able to manage your own source codes…

Depends on the type of moderation. Most moderation, which happens via labels on Bluesky, doesn’t prevent you from logging into your account. That would require a full suspension or ban, which is much rarer. And, as others have noted, you could just move to a different PDS. You don’t even have to self-host!

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#122
post #110
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is a concern you can just migrate to a different PDS

Apparently, that’s not enough. You will also need your own “app view” which means you will be self hosting an over engineered forge with social features you can’t use… so why go that road to begin with is beyond me tbh.

This is incorrect. You don’t have to host your own tangled appvew to log into tangled without having your atproto account on Bluesky’s PDSes.

You CAN host your own Tangled AppView. You CAN host your own knot. You DO NOT have to in order to self host your own PDS. Each of these layers are decentralized from the other.

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#123
post #112
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that the same as Github "moderating" my Github account for some unrelated reason? Also, since Bluesky is decentralised, can't I just host my own data?

GitHub - sensible folks have more than one account with access to critical bits. The really important things are probably mirrored. Bluesky’s decentralisation is a “yes but it’s complicated and you can’t _just_ do anything”. I like that they’re experimenting with “apps” but source control feels a bit too far.

No it’s not! You’re just spouting falsehoods now.

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#124

As someone who has no idea what either of these things are, this reads like a satirical headline. I get an email like this about my company's myriad platforms nearly daily

Congratulations! You’re an adult on a website. If you do t know what something means, you have the ability to click the link and learn, which would’ve taken you far less time than this pointless snarky comment that’s been made so many times already.

At least try being original.

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#125

[flagged]

I agree (with caveats and not as strongly), but claiming no utility is a bit much.

> They reinvented a worse Twitter (it failed)

Bluesky has 9-11x times the number of total users as Twitter did three years after its launch. It has somewhere between 15-20x the number of MAUs as Twitter had. It has not failed even a little bit.

> Now they're trying to reinvent a worse GitHub (not off to a great start)

You seem to think this is the same group of people who started Bluesky. You’re wrong. Not only that, you’ve failed to name how Tangled is a worse Github when the burden of proof is on you.

> Abandon AT proto - dumb idea, all empty ego on the part of the creators, no utility for the masses

Curious that the number of atproto accounts and users only seems to be growing, because that’s not what I’d expect if there was no utility for the masses.

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Issue and PR content are not social artifacts, they belong in the repo or at least its hosting instance. Likes and activity feed are the sort of thing that belongs in the social layer.

Issues and PR content are absolutely social artifacts, as they communicate information to others, whether opened by the repo owner or not. In fact, other people can interact with them, and are supposed to do so, which makes them even more inherently social.

The more important thing about issues & PRs is that they explain why the code is the way that it is. Knowing why the code is the way it is, is almost the entire reason we have a repository to begin with. They belong to the code, not some social graph.

Yes, code is largely about communication as well - with others as well as our future selves. That doesn’t mean it’s a social media experience. There are lots of ways to communicate that aren’t that.

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#127
post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"being on tangled" really just means "publishing sh.tangled.* atproto records" the beauty of atproto means that you are in no way tied to the VC funded company behind the web app available at tangled.org. you merely publish your git repository using a protocol that this app will pick up and present with a nice UI any other app that speaks atproto and looks at those same sh.tangled.* records will be able to access eve…

> the beauty of atproto means that you are in no way tied to the VC funded company behind the web app This is false: you’re tied to both tangled (unless you want to self host a forge, which if you did you wouldn’t have picked tabgled) and Bluesky for your login to keep working (unless you want to self host a complex constellation of social media components).

you can selfhost all components of tangled, takes about 200mb of memory and zero disk at the moment (api.tangled.org is completely stateless!): https://blog.tangled.org/bobbin/

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#128
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is like complaining that you can't login anywhere because google banned your gmail account...

And we don’t complain about that because nobody uses “sign in with google” for mission critical stuff. It’s absolutely a choice to tie all your things to a single corp.

> nobody uses “sign in with google” for mission critical stuff

There are lots of organizations out there, even multi-billion-dollar ones, using Google Workspaces.

Re: Gleam Is Now on Tangled

#129
post #84

Picture this: someone “moderates” your bluesky account for some unrelated reason and you’re no longer able to manage your own source codes…

this is simply false: bluesky moderating your account will have no effect on what happens with it on tangled. on the off-chance that your account is hosted by bluesky's PDS AND your account gets deleted for violating their terms, yes, you will lose complete access to that account. you can avoid this by either following their TOS or hosting your own PDS or joining the tangled PDS instead.
Post reply on HN