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New era for Gibraltar with removal of border controls with Spain

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Re: New era for Gibraltar with removal of border controls with Spain

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Of course there aren't passport checks on planes or boats between Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland, but that only applies to Irish and British citizens. On planes/boats between Northern Ireland and Great Britain there aren't passport checks, but they can and do check your passport.

> Of course there aren't passport checks on planes or boats between Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland, but that only applies to Irish and British citizens. And the only way to enforce that is to not enforce it all, or to check everyone for documents. Both cork and Dublin airports have a manned border check for all inbound flights (can’t speak for other airports) but a passport isn’t required. If you fly betwe…

> If you fly between European countries there’s no border check _at all_. (Your airline may check but that’s different).

On the flip side I was asked for a passport on a train from Denmark to Germany last year, Schengen allows them to demand passports. Previous time I went to Denmark (2011) I went to Malmo for the evening and again was asked for a passport on the train.

> Anecdotally I don’t think I’ve ever been stopped for a passport check in 15 years of flying between the Uk and Belfast.

I haven't been asked for a passport on a Belfast-London flight, but I have been asked for ID by the police on a Belfast-Liverpool ferry

Legally you do not have to have a passport or identity card to travel from GB to Ireland as a British/Irish citizen, although it will make things easier to prove your citizenship. This is the same as when you take a train from Denmark to Germany.

Re: New era for Gibraltar with removal of border controls with Spain

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I am saying, for the third time, that the people of Gibraltar are sovereing and have the right to choose. Same with Ceuta and Melilla.

"a similar agreement could be done with Gibraltat belonging to Spain, which I would consider fairer" Take your colonial desires and stuff them back in the 18th century where they belong

What I mean is that it is not that important who Gibraltar belongs to as far as the desire of their population and the surrounding territories are respected. I add the surrounding territories because they are their natural hinterland, independently to who they belong, and therefore there should cooperation for the common good. I could not care less whether it is part of Spain or not, if you are happier with it.

Re: New era for Gibraltar with removal of border controls with Spain

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I'm not sure what you mean by "when boats" exactly it why you used that phrasing, but it seems like an attempt at pre-emptively mocking a strawman, framing it as childish. That's not very nice rhetoric, is it? These terms are well defined and it would serve you well to simply consult a dictionary. But in short colonialism implies the use of colonies (surprise surprise) meaning the use of settlers to control or displa…

You can mock the grammar of "only colonialism when boats", but AFAIK when the Soviet Union accused some Western power of engaging in colonialism and got "well, you have your Central Asian dependencies" as an answer, they were quick to refine their definition of "colonialism" to include a "transmaritime" checkbox. So, yeah. FWIW there have been those who accused modern nation states of practicing "internal colonialism…

> You can mock the grammar...

I mocked nothing. I accused you of using unfair and unfriendly rhetoric.

> AFAIK when the Soviet Union accused some Western power

So you're putting the words of "some Western power" that "as far as you know" once used a bizarre definition of colonialism in my mouth?

> in the sense that oftentimes all the money, support and political representation goes overwhelmingly to some select places

Yes, totally different thing. People use metaphors and reappropriate words all the time. Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Re: New era for Gibraltar with removal of border controls with Spain

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You can mock the grammar of "only colonialism when boats", but AFAIK when the Soviet Union accused some Western power of engaging in colonialism and got "well, you have your Central Asian dependencies" as an answer, they were quick to refine their definition of "colonialism" to include a "transmaritime" checkbox. So, yeah. FWIW there have been those who accused modern nation states of practicing "internal colonialism…

> You can mock the grammar... I mocked nothing. I accused you of using unfair and unfriendly rhetoric. > AFAIK when the Soviet Union accused some Western power So you're putting the words of "some Western power" that "as far as you know" once used a bizarre definition of colonialism in my mouth? > in the sense that oftentimes all the money, support and political representation goes overwhelmingly to some select place…

> I accused you

You did not.

Re: New era for Gibraltar with removal of border controls with Spain

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> You can mock the grammar... I mocked nothing. I accused you of using unfair and unfriendly rhetoric. > AFAIK when the Soviet Union accused some Western power So you're putting the words of "some Western power" that "as far as you know" once used a bizarre definition of colonialism in my mouth? > in the sense that oftentimes all the money, support and political representation goes overwhelmingly to some select place…

> I accused you You did not.

Ok.
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