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Wait, what? What is wrong with European companies by default?
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Jolla Phone (October 2026)
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#122Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/
Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
If it has the "security" architecture of Linux (it's really more of a multi-tenant architecture) then that's a complete deal breaker. Wouldn't want it if it was 1000x faster/betterer than Android.
Our desktop OSes are just incompatible with running untrusted software, and you're gonna want to do that.
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#124I gave them money once on Kickstarter. Never got anything and they held my money hostage for years.
I'm never ever, ever buying anything from Jolla. They can go out of business for all I care.
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#125I wonder if humanity will ever go back to Nokia times small phones. If this phone was 50% smaller, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I don't want to carry these huge bricks anymore.
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#126Who designed such ridiculous camera bump? It would be a really nice device, if only it had a flat backside.
Who designed such ridiculous camera bump?
People who remember when phones had "flat backsides" and were constantly getting scratched and abraded by regular use just putting them on tables and picking them up again.
The tripod posture is a feature, not a bug.
I still occasionally use my iPhone 4 as a music player, and the flat back not only makes it susceptible to scratching, it makes it hard to pick up off of smooth surfaces like my coffee table. With a bump, you have something to grip.
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> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…
Could you please elaborate, which software is usable on mobile Linux except for Firefox? I've seen multiple people using mobile Linux, and they were using Firefox and webapps for everything, no exceptions.
Checking Flathub should give you some idea: https://flathub.org/en/apps/collection/mobile/1
There are more, not every application that works fine has metadata filled up (and not everything is on Flathub either).
I do use some webapps, but with Epiphany rather than Firefox.
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> /etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic [...] The practical downside, however, is that this phone does not natively run Android apps, while GrapheneOS runs all Android apps bar those that require Play Integrity. Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse.
> Desktop GNU/Linux programs are either unusable or a terrible experience on a mobile device with a small screen and no mouse. Is this an assumption or coming from your experience? Because I'm typing this on a GNU/Linux phone in a desktop browser and use a bunch of desktop applications daily and haven't noticed. Of course if you run GIMP or something like that it won't fit unless you plug an external screen and a mou…
Well, can you take a picture that looks better than what I made 20 years ago on a flip phone?
I have a pinephone and try it out year after year.. Well, let's just say that there is so many areas of improvement to make "GNU/linux" run on a mobile device (that sorta includes laptops as well, even though I have done so for years) that we might as well start over from statch.
For example one can't just let everything run whenever it wants, wasting battery life. Android's "more complicated" system and binder was criticized in this thread, but that's exactly what ties together the whole thing to be able to run on a device that fits in your hand, with centrally managed "let's pause this app now" etc
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#129does this have some weird ad tech? It turns white screen on me.
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I think he was asking about advantages, not "how is it similar to a Unix system from the 80s?"
The irony you fail to realize, the differences listed in fact would be typical of a random Unix system in the 80s, where it's just a mountain of bad and random opinions stapled on top of a Unix system. Some random and half-baked libc? You got it! Some bizarre and overly convoluted greenfield filesystem structure? It's right there! Completely different and frustrating custom linker behavior? Yep! Everything I listed w…
Which system has better security from an end-user perspective?
Only iOS comes anywhere close.