It'd be nice if these discussions actually came with large scale customer surveys to determine how the public as a whole feels. Perhaps Consumer Reports has looked into this. Right now all of this is just a lot of heat and emotion in both directions, coupled with stirring but useless anecdata.
Apple - Think Twice
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you had some bad experiences, but do you really think that Apple makes products with "no engineering applied past experience"? Surely Apple's products have had faults, and it sounds like you've been bitten more than once. I don't blame you for not liking the company or its products. However, there are lots of satisfied customers, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who believed that their…
Yes I do - they are shit, so is their engineering and I'm not afraid to go against the grain and say it. I've never heard of a satisfied long term customer i.e. most of the praise comes from new users with shiny toys. My father has just been screwed by his 1st gen iPad because some of the apps will no longer install and IOS6 is not available (to the trash it goes), his white iPhone 4S has proximity sensor issues to t…
> I've never heard of a satisfied long term customer
Four MBPs, including a retina MBP. Couldn't be happier. Two iPads and two iPhones, switched to Android largely because of a new job and because I wanted a local environment for running vim.
See? Other people have anecdotes too. But I get that contrariness and the application of your own pet anecdotes over evidence is really fun, so continue, by all means.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're essentially saying that any computer with a metal case, or extensive metal shielding inside could suffer the same problem. HP makes a number of metal laptops, for instance, in an effort to make them more recyclable, the same reasoning behind Apple's materials decision. Why would I buy a Lenovo T-series? It looks virtually indistinguishable from any laptop made in the late 1990s and still has that absurd red jo…
"The new Dell Ubuntu laptop is the only thing I can think of as a reasonable alternative to what Apple's doing." Maybe you should get your head out of the gutter and realize a laptop isn't deemed "good" because it's an alternative to "what Apple's doing". Edit : And to whoever downvoted this, thank you for proving my point.
Until there are other vendors on the same page as Apple, there's no way to put it otherwise.
If you want to buy power tools, a watch, a car, you have many choices of first-rate products. When it comes to computers it's such a broken marketplace. It'd be a world where there's BMW and a whole bunch of Hyundai-type companies.
I have my head in the gutter because I have standards? Expectations? That appearances do matter? Sorry if I don't come from the school of function trumping form, and that I care about attention to details.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last time I've disassembled a Lenovo laptop it still had the entire thin aluminum shield thingie inside, y'know. And desktops are made of metal instead of wood and rich corinthian leather for (a bunch of) reason(s). On the other hand, my experiences with Lenovo T-series were mostly of the "flimsy pieces of crap that only look solid" category (but maybe I was just less than lucky). Aggregated studies of customer satis…
I think your eyes must have crap in them if you think a T-series is flimsy. The big chunk of titanium in the middle makes it rock solid: http://appel.hu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rollcage.jpg Lenovo's relatively low score is because they shift out lots of low quality consumer grade laptops (g-series) which are to be honest, just junk but earn them a lot of money. They don't even assemble them themselves. If you…
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
A fucking large pile of expensive broken shit that just packed in is not anecdotal - it's known as evidence.
It is evidence for you, personally, yes. However, in aggregate, for all consumers, it is anecdata. There are people who swear by the opposite experience, of years of bad issues with non-Apple tech until they switched over. The ultimate problem with this discussion is that yours is only one data point, when a full survey would be required to determine which manufacturer is best. At the same time, sympathies for your b…
surveys like this one: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20108336-17/apple-tops-in-...
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you had some bad experiences, but do you really think that Apple makes products with "no engineering applied past experience"? Surely Apple's products have had faults, and it sounds like you've been bitten more than once. I don't blame you for not liking the company or its products. However, there are lots of satisfied customers, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who believed that their…
Yes I do - they are shit, so is their engineering and I'm not afraid to go against the grain and say it. I've never heard of a satisfied long term customer i.e. most of the praise comes from new users with shiny toys. My father has just been screwed by his 1st gen iPad because some of the apps will no longer install and IOS6 is not available (to the trash it goes), his white iPhone 4S has proximity sensor issues to t…
I'm a happy long term Mac user. However, I've resisted buying first generation products, and I wouldn't buy Apple products without an option to cancel the purchase. I'm happy with the attention put into the product design, but not with their quality control. If Lenovo made laptops with touchpads that worked as well as MacBooks, I would switch. But no such luck so far.
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#127After using Xcode for a full day I can see my immortal soul stuck in the desktop background.
I avoid using iMacs with any kind of glue near the LCD for obvious reasons.
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#128Ah, $500B+ market cap company problems...
Re: Apple - Think Twice
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're essentially saying that any computer with a metal case, or extensive metal shielding inside could suffer the same problem. HP makes a number of metal laptops, for instance, in an effort to make them more recyclable, the same reasoning behind Apple's materials decision. Why would I buy a Lenovo T-series? It looks virtually indistinguishable from any laptop made in the late 1990s and still has that absurd red jo…
No I'm not. I'm saying that there is no acceptable insulation in the device. The chassis for example uses air gap between the board and the base for insulation. Even condensation can bridge it, which is the theory why mine exploded. Regarding appearance, and? Does that really matter? Why you pick a ThinkPad: http://appel.hu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rollcage.jpg That and you can throw the damn thing across the…
So now it's that I'm "obsessed" with shiny?
The number of MacBooks in the environment that I work in that have serious dents, battle damage from severe falls, outnumbers those that don't, and they're all in functioning condition. Don't think that Lenovo laptops are the only ones that are durable.
If you look at the resale value for a MacBook it's a lot higher than a Lenovo. I'm sure there's something other than "shiny" that makes a five year old MacBook still have significant value.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reaction expected from you is rage, and not frustration and helplessness. I don't know of any other company that would kick its customers in the nuts and that too the early adopters.
Remember that apple sells millions of these things and we are Odds are that a good amount of buyers either don't care or haven't noticed the problem. It's not kicking their customers in the nuts. They poorly structured the evaluation method to set a threshold for repair and are having to backtrack and fix an expensive quality control mistake. They're not kicking me in the nuts. They're a company of humans that has to…
If the customers start sympathizing like that then they're going to stop listening to us and only act according to the other constraints you mentioned.
If i go and buy a Pro Retina, the screen is the last thing i want trouble with, and if they fail in ensuring that it works, they should just replace it. Period. I don't give a damn about thresholds and whether im being 'reasonable' in whining or not. Maybe it's just me i want the best when i pay for it. Screw the shareholders and suppliers.