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Japanese symbols that speak without words

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Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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This seems rather blatantly anti-british? Feels like you're taking your point too far the other way. How exactly is Britain not a country good at designing things for longevity? It is probably amongst the countries in the world that goes to the most effort to protect its architectural history, and also has some world class modern design schools. The government also has a unified design system that makes using governm…

Its only necessary to point out that the British are the worlds' masters at cultural appropriation and, as well, cultural degradation ... Curry, Reggae, Tea ... Near endless supply of degraded colonies, reaped economies, ruined cultures deemed inferior by the British ruling class .. and this "its not cool, its just Japanese" refrain sure does align with that imperialist view ...

I'm not sure any of those things (curry, reggae, tea) are examples by themselves of cultural appropriation. The first two are artefacts of groups who came to Britain and became part of it - British Indians and British Caribbeans are celebrated as part of Britain today.

As for the British imperialism - I completely agree that the British empire was a disgusting imperialist and racist project that destroyed economies and cultures.

Not to 'whatabout' but it's worth pointing out in the context of this discussion, that the Japanese Empire was at one point a disgusting imperialist and racist project as well, that similarly destroyed economies and cultures.

I think the Japenese designs are interesting, I am not the original thread commenter. I do however agree that there is a lot of 'Orientalism' that still goes on in the modern day, which is itself a form of xenophobia (it is highlighting Japanese culture as something exotic, and others Japanese people, who are just people same as me and you).

I'm not sure why a discussion of Japanese design required you to attack modern British design practices, and conflating criticisms of Orientalism with being imperialist seems a stretch.

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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Perhaps don’t question people’s education when you know nothing about them and are yourself unable to communicate properly and understand a question. A “racist and a misanthrope” is not the same thing as a “racist misanthrope” (and again, those overlap and are thus nonsensical together). Or don’t you understand how being a “fast cook” differs from being “fast and a cook”? You are being incredibly rude and accusatory…

You're just trying to distract from the racist misanthropy in this thread. Nobody sensible ever panders to racist misanthropes just to 'be polite'.

Dismissing this article because "its just one of those 'in Japan' posts" is just poor form. A racist (Japan) statement that this article should be diminished in appreciation by an audience because it is "just one of those 'in Japan' posts.." (misanthropic) can be both racist and misanthropic. Racist, because Japan, and misanthropic because "people shouldn't appreciate this post for what it is because its 'just another in Japan' post" ..

Listen, just because you fail at grammar doesn't mean you can't learn things from strangers on the Internet: Racist and misanthrope are two completely different things, and despite your pedantic blathering it is entirely possible to be both, either, or neither. Be neither.

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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Perhaps don’t question people’s education when you know nothing about them and are yourself unable to communicate properly and understand a question. A “racist and a misanthrope” is not the same thing as a “racist misanthrope” (and again, those overlap and are thus nonsensical together). Or don’t you understand how being a “fast cook” differs from being “fast and a cook”? You are being incredibly rude and accusatory…

You're just trying to distract from the racist misanthropy in this thread. Nobody sensible ever panders to racist misanthropes just to 'be polite'. Dismissing this article because "its just one of those 'in Japan' posts" is just poor form. A racist (Japan) statement that this article should be diminished in appreciation by an audience because it is "just one of those 'in Japan' posts.." (misanthropic) can be both rac…

You are stuck on an invented argument, fully in your head, and keep ascribing motivations to people you know nothing about.

I’m not “distracting” from anything. I don’t condone racism or dismissing the article (which I enjoyed) as being “thing in Japan” either. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with how you formulate your disagreement. And it definitely does not mean you are in the right to lashing out at someone who explicitly asked you for clarification. I did not engage to attack you, I did so to understand your argument.

That you chose to be relentlessly negative without provocation is a contradiction of the words in your bio—clearly those don’t represent who you are. If they are meant to be aspirational, do better.

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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It was very surprising for me when I visited the US to see just how much space was wasted writing everything out on every sign and sometimes in giant words on the road. It did also make me a bit worried about the expected level of driver education...

To me it's odd to imply people must be stupid because they're expected to read a few simple words such as "Left lane must turn left" rather than to memorize a bunch of symbols. American signs very frequently combine both styles - for instance, you see the above words next to a sign with arrows for whatever lanes, wordlessly illustrating the turn types permitted. If someone is a new driver, who hasn't seen the symboli…

I didn't say they were stupid, I said I was concerned about their level of education

> If someone is a new driver, who hasn't seen the symbolic signs enough, the word signs are a good fallback. The goal is to maximize accessibility.

That's the thing I'm concerned about! In Europe you're not allowed onto the road unless you have already proven that you have memorised all the symbols and can identify them on demand. You don't need to maximise accessibility because the required level of education is higher.

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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You're just trying to distract from the racist misanthropy in this thread. Nobody sensible ever panders to racist misanthropes just to 'be polite'. Dismissing this article because "its just one of those 'in Japan' posts" is just poor form. A racist (Japan) statement that this article should be diminished in appreciation by an audience because it is "just one of those 'in Japan' posts.." (misanthropic) can be both rac…

You are stuck on an invented argument, fully in your head, and keep ascribing motivations to people you know nothing about. I’m not “distracting” from anything. I don’t condone racism or dismissing the article (which I enjoyed) as being “thing in Japan” either. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with how you formulate your disagreement. And it definitely does not mean you are in the right to lashing out at someone who…

I'm not stuck on anything except completely rejecting racist misanthropy when I see it.

Your statement:

>Those terms seem incompatible. Either you’re a racist and hate certain slices of humanity or you’re a misanthrope and hate all of it. Doesn’t make much sense to hate all and part of it. What exactly did you mean?

.. was simply wrong, because you can be both racist and misanthropic, indeed - and thus your blathering has served only to detract from the point, which is that racist misanthropy is nonsense and shouldn't be tolerated.

>explicitly asked you for clarification.

Yes and you ignored that clarification in your rush to hate a stranger on the Internet. I explained my position: anyone denigrating this article because "its just Japan", is racist and misanthropic. Racist because "Japan" and misanthropic because "dissuading others from appreciating the beauty of the article 'because Japan'".

I believe the same to be true of Britain, by the way - a point I chose to make intentionally. Plenty of things to love about the place. But of course, I could be as racist as any about the British too - their culture provides many reasons to dissuade engagement.

But Japanese culture has many, many wonderfully beautiful things to offer and anyone discounting this fact or dismissing an article about it because "its just Japan and thus not special", should re-think their position.

As for your attempted frothy-mouthed defense of obvious racist misanthropy, yes, true: Opportunities to be better, abound ...

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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You're just trying to distract from the racist misanthropy in this thread. Nobody sensible ever panders to racist misanthropes just to 'be polite'. Dismissing this article because "its just one of those 'in Japan' posts" is just poor form. A racist (Japan) statement that this article should be diminished in appreciation by an audience because it is "just one of those 'in Japan' posts.." (misanthropic) can be both rac…

You are stuck on an invented argument, fully in your head, and keep ascribing motivations to people you know nothing about. I’m not “distracting” from anything. I don’t condone racism or dismissing the article (which I enjoyed) as being “thing in Japan” either. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with how you formulate your disagreement. And it definitely does not mean you are in the right to lashing out at someone who…

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Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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I would love to read your article about the beautiful medieval crests on British fire engines, too! No joke, feel free to link something in reply to my comment as well if you have existing articles. I feel like there has been a lot of unnecessary pushback about 'Thing in Japan' articles on the internet. Guess what, there are cool things everywhere; including Japan. Write about the ones you know about!

>I feel like there has been a lot of unnecessary pushback about 'Thing in Japan' articles on the internet. Guess what, there are cool things everywhere; including Japan. That's the point of the whole meme. People think it's interesting because of Japan not because of the content itself is interesting. Did you know there are 12,000 Zabka stores in Poland and they are almost as ubiquitous as konbinis? Guess what, no gi…

If you write an article about Zabka stores and what's unique and interesting about them I'll probably read it.

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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I always find it interesting to learn about symbols or iconography that a culture takes for granted that would be unknown or even invisible to an outsider. Japanese heraldry is particularly captivating because of its apparent influence on corporate logo design of the 1960s. Between mon and traditional Japanese architecture, it’s eye-opening to see parallels between post-war American modernism and millennia of Japanes…

> Cabel Sasser [1] once jokingly referred to U+1F4DB as “tofu on fire” I simply will not stand for this notjosh erasure! (potentially the greatest contribution I'll ever make to human culture. not sure how I feel about that, now that I think about it)

My humble apologies.

Re: Japanese symbols that speak without words

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I would love to read your article about the beautiful medieval crests on British fire engines, too! No joke, feel free to link something in reply to my comment as well if you have existing articles. I feel like there has been a lot of unnecessary pushback about 'Thing in Japan' articles on the internet. Guess what, there are cool things everywhere; including Japan. Write about the ones you know about!

IMO the author kind of opened themselves up to it when they said: > And still, in my life here in the United States, words are still needed to convey meaning. As if the US doesn’t have easily identifiable police and firefighters. Or handicap placards/license plates. Or public transportation logos (such as the NY MTA logo). I think Japan does a pretty good job with signage in general and some of it is interesting to r…

The U.S. does tend to use words where other cultures often use iconography. Road signs are a prime example.
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