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Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Ah, friend, America was importing people from Africa. Indeed “import” is rather more apt in this case than the several other you’ve ignored (e.g. the mass immigration from Vietnam at the finish of that war). What a horridly dull country it would be were your understanding nearer the truth; what a betrayal of its dream to wish it as you see it; how silly you would seem to your know-nothing antecedents so lumping “Euro…

Up until 1965 the US had strict origin requirements for where immigrants could come from and it was capped at a relatively low number throughout much of the 20th century. Yes actually up until 1990 the US was overwhelmingly European ancestry, just go look at any demographic data from before 1990. Many states were 90+% white and indeed many were even higher. The places with African slave descendants in the US were the…

In which specifics does “low social trust” differ from “high xenophobia”?

Is fear of the other a morally neutral emotion?

Do you suppose your response to an ethnically or culturally different neighbor differs from some your ancestors’?

If it does, would you say your response is morally superior? If so, why? If so, how did you acquire your more enlightened approach?

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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There has never been a British election where the majority votes cast have been for parties that pledged to increase immigration. I take your FPTP point, but when has the winning party under FPTP had a manifesto commitment to increase immigration? Let’s just face facts. We might disagree personally but a majority of people have always voted against immigration and it’s regularly a top 3 issue. Often the top issue!

In 2019, the Conservatives stood on a manifesto that promised, amongst other things, to ditch immigration targets (in favour of a more generous points-based system), to increase foreign recruitment of healthcare workers, and to introduce a new student visa which would attract "more students from all over the world" and encourage them to stay on and apply for work in the UK after graduation. They won a big majority as…

They campaigned on reducing the net figure to below 100,000 in the 2019 election.

Instead they took it from 185,000 to 950,000.

After that, they are now polling at all time lows (17%).

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50524262

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Up until 1965 the US had strict origin requirements for where immigrants could come from and it was capped at a relatively low number throughout much of the 20th century. Yes actually up until 1990 the US was overwhelmingly European ancestry, just go look at any demographic data from before 1990. Many states were 90+% white and indeed many were even higher. The places with African slave descendants in the US were the…

In which specifics does “low social trust” differ from “high xenophobia”? Is fear of the other a morally neutral emotion? Do you suppose your response to an ethnically or culturally different neighbor differs from some your ancestors’? If it does, would you say your response is morally superior? If so, why? If so, how did you acquire your more enlightened approach?

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Sad to see this nonsense on hacker new, looks like a bot account.

Please just flag egregious comments or email us (hn@ycombinator.com) if it seems like something needs moderator attention. We've had bad stuff on HN since the start. We can deal with it easily if we know about it.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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It could well be the case that the growth of white identitarianism is almost entirely driven by white supremacist media moguls, who are unfathomably rich and shape the zeitgeist to a large degree. See also: antisemitism in Nazi Germany. I’m sure some Jewish people committed serious crimes against non-Jewish Germans. But that was incidental, not causal, to the vile propaganda that eventually led to the Holocaust.

It could be, but I really don't think so. The splintering of Reform UK and then Restore Britain strongly suggests to me that there's a mass movement. If it were a plot by media moguls, I would have expected them to carefully manage discontent to keep people within the Tories.

To echo roryirvine, I don't think there's any plot. I do think that these moguls are genuinely, virulently racist and jump at the chance to propagate their toxic politics as widely as possible.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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In 2019, the Conservatives stood on a manifesto that promised, amongst other things, to ditch immigration targets (in favour of a more generous points-based system), to increase foreign recruitment of healthcare workers, and to introduce a new student visa which would attract "more students from all over the world" and encourage them to stay on and apply for work in the UK after graduation. They won a big majority as…

They campaigned on reducing the net figure to below 100,000 in the 2019 election. Instead they took it from 185,000 to 950,000. After that, they are now polling at all time lows (17%). https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50524262

Read point 8 in your link - the 100,000 net target was from the previous (2015 and 2017) manifestos, but was never taken seriously and was ditched in favour of the looser points-based system in 2019.

Both the Tories and Labour shifted their position several times in the 2010s, but few people based their votes on it. The only real change in policy came with the Brexit referendum, which was widely interpreted as being a desire for a shift from European to Commonwealth immigration.

The recent wave of concern is a new thing, and it remains to be seen whether it will continue now that the Brexit migration surge has tailed off or whether the online shit-stirring will be enough to sustain it for longer.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Sad to see this nonsense on hacker new, looks like a bot account.

Please just flag egregious comments or email us (hn@ycombinator.com) if it seems like something needs moderator attention. We've had bad stuff on HN since the start. We can deal with it easily if we know about it.

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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As an American, I can assure you that policy issues and corporate meddling are in fact not mutually exclusive.

I think you missed the point. Claiming legitimate voter unhappiness with some sort of conspiracy of foreign actors, is Politics 101. It's massive spin.

They have citizens rioting on their streets and yet somehow claim it's nefarious foreign actors.

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