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Access to capital, mostly. The US has always been willing to grant hefty amounts of taxpayer money to startups, something culturally foreign to Germany (startups are risky, Germans don't want taxpayer money to be spent on risky adventures that might bring losses) and the US also has dozens of billions of dollars a month in 401k pension savings making their way into the asset markets. And China, well, it's a dictators…

>Access to capital, mostly. German auto makers were wealthier than the US auto makers. Germany's GDP is now third in the world. There is capital. >Germans don't want taxpayer money to be spent on risky adventures But they wanted it to be spent on Russian gas pipelines, foreign aid, anti nuclear activism, and in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalizat…

> German auto makers were wealthier than the US auto makers. Germany's GDP is now third in the world. There is capital.

The problem is, that capital is stuck in the bank accounts of the uber rich.

> But they wanted it to be spent on Russian gas pipelines, foreign aid, anti nuclear activism, and in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalization project" while their internet speed lacks behind developing nations?

- Nordstream was privately funded, half by Gazprom, half by a consortium of privately owned large utilities

- Germany has drastically cut back on foreign aid funding, which in return killed off a lot of the goodwill Germany enjoyed in the Global South, we all know that China and Russia filled the gap. The numbers go up in theory but that's only due to funding for Ukraine.

- Anti-nuclear activism never got significant amounts of funding, instead dealing with the nuclear waste costs 1.4 billion euros a year, only 400 million euros are actually going towards the environment [1].

The only point you actually got somewhat correct is

> in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalization project" while their internet speed lacks behind developing nations?

The problem is, again, risk avoidance. Public tenders are written to prefer established players like SAP, T-Systems et al that can prove decades of experience in government projects. Partially that is due to incompetence, partially it is to shrink the bidder pool and avoid the risk of getting entire projects held up for years by lawsuits of bidders who lost.

The lack of internet speed doesn't come from a lack of public investment. Telekom has been privatized for decades. The problem here is regulatory incompetence.

> Germany decline in past 15 years seems like its a self fulfilling prophecy. The more risk averse they are to avoid change or losses, the more they keep losing to economies who embraced change, disruption and risk.

Agreed. The b00mer brainrot runs heavy here.

[1] https://taz.de/Budget-des-Umweltministeriums/!6102402/

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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BYD DMCAd my whole repo to connect to their cars... https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2026/05/2026-05-2... It's a shame these car makers are locking down their cars (which are brought for a premium!) and going on a crusade against open source.

This sure reads like a "you did nothing illegal but will attempt to make it look illegal" kind of thing. Like putting the key to a public space under the doormat, with a sign "key here" and then complaining you cannot use that key to access the already public space.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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They already add cryptographic authentication to some CAN messages, so you can't change them. It is only a matter of time until they add encryption. This is mostly a corporate problem of risk aversion in my opinion. Some department writes down a risk assessment with a list of miniscule risks, for example of some 3rd party app backend being hacked. Or just a headline "Tinkerer hacked his car to use with his home assis…

> It is only a matter of time until they add encryption. I hope I won't be in one of those cars when the in-memory encryption key gets bit-flipped by the unfortunate cosmic ray.

Proving that autopilot killed that poor old granny because of cosmic rays would be an interesting case study.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Where's the 'Open Source Car'? Where's the open source phone? The open source washing machine?

We used to have them. Devices so simple anyone with a hammer could fix. Maybe not open source as we understand it today, but rather - trivially reverse engineerable, often with schematics included. Most complex would be rewiring the motor on a washing machine. Did their job fine, but you can't sell them forever, so more complex devices were introduced. Nowadays motorcycles would probably be the closest equivalent, th…

> often with schematics included

That was even the norm for complex electronics for decades. But since it makes it easy to reverse engineer it, it's no longer being done due to fear of cheap clones (often inferior, and still doesn't stop anyone these days).

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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You can still use the infotainment without signing into a Google Account. The only thing that's locked out is the Play Store and 3rd party apps (which you need the play store to download). Even Google Maps is usable without an account.

Can you use android auto? For the normal person your phone is a better place to get all that anyway. The few people driving as a full time job will find the cars built in stuff better but for most your phone had everything the rest of the time so you want to use that.

Yes it also has android auto and carplay

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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It's not like the US has that many either. It's not the kind of winner-takes-all network effects industry that attracts venture capital outside of the Musk reality distortion field.

>It's not like the US has that many either. Math was never my strong point, but AFAIK the "not that many" of the US is still a greater number than the zero of Germany.

If you look at the greater NW European area there were (are still?) several startups, non got big enough to matter and they did not have infinite money to survive like some US based PE funded ones can. And even for Germany a quick "car startup germany" search will give you a few.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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Quite a few other manufacturers have done the same thing. I use a reverse engineered Polestar library to get charging status but I'm in the middle of building a CANBUS sniffer to do the same job because I don't trust they won't do the same thing as this. I don't really understand it, it doesn't seem to offer a huge potential revenue stream and it pisses off the people who are most invested in your product.

John Deere started the trend with locking down the farm equipment they sell.

Re: Volkswagen blocks Home Assistant by requiring client assertion

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>It's not like the US has that many either. Math was never my strong point, but AFAIK the "not that many" of the US is still a greater number than the zero of Germany.

If you look at the greater NW European area there were (are still?) several startups, non got big enough to matter and they did not have infinite money to survive like some US based PE funded ones can. And even for Germany a quick "car startup germany" search will give you a few.

Which German/NW car start brands are start-ups?
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