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The real cost of owning a home

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Re: The real cost of owning a home

#121

The Repair section of the article could have been mitigated by a inspection and negotiation before buying. Always negotiate repairs into the offer price.

In some markets they get like 20 offers for a house. You aren’t going to negotiate anything at that point

Re: The real cost of owning a home

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post #17

There's also the difference of Condo vs Home.

A condo is a type of home, so it's like you're saying "Do you drive a car or a vehicle?".

Also, condominium does not automatically imply apartment, because there are condo townhouses and condo detached houses.

A condominium is a legal structure that prescribes which parts are owned jointly and which parts are owned individually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium

Re: The real cost of owning a home

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post #6

Beyond the financials, the psychological impact of both being able to make greater-than-superficial changes, and having extremely predictable payments for years without worrying about substantial rent increases, is substantial. I redid/improved the bathroom to exactly what I wanted. I renovated the kitchen. I added paneling to the walls. I added a few outlets to rooms that needed more. I wouldn't do these things in a…

There’s also a psychological benefit of not having to worry about most problems. Sink broke? Call landlord to fix. Roof leaking? Call landlord to fix. And so on. You never have an unexpected $20k repair show up. And while I agree that it’s nice to customize things to your preferences, this has a downside in that it’s easy to get carried away and overspend. Might as well get the nicer finishes when you are remodeling,…

> There’s also a psychological benefit of not having to worry about most problems. Sink broke? Call landlord to fix. Roof leaking? Call landlord to fix. And so on. You never have an unexpected $20k repair show up.

"Rent is the most you'll pay for housing, but mortgage and property taxes is the least amount."

Re: The real cost of owning a home

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post #6

Beyond the financials, the psychological impact of both being able to make greater-than-superficial changes, and having extremely predictable payments for years without worrying about substantial rent increases, is substantial. I redid/improved the bathroom to exactly what I wanted. I renovated the kitchen. I added paneling to the walls. I added a few outlets to rooms that needed more. I wouldn't do these things in a…

There’s also a psychological benefit of not having to worry about most problems. Sink broke? Call landlord to fix. Roof leaking? Call landlord to fix. And so on. You never have an unexpected $20k repair show up. And while I agree that it’s nice to customize things to your preferences, this has a downside in that it’s easy to get carried away and overspend. Might as well get the nicer finishes when you are remodeling,…

> Sink broke? Call landlord to fix. Roof leaking? Call landlord to fix

Most landlords I've dealt with are an absolute pain to deal with when something breaks. It's often not that easy, maybe in high-cost / luxury rentals. Arguing over what is normal wear-and-tear, while knowing you cannot afford decent legal advice, and you also can't pay for the "unexpected repair" is just as bad.

> And you can’t have just your kitchen nice, now you need to upgrade the flooring

Yes you can. There is no need to have everything perfect...

Edit:

> You never have an unexpected $20k repair show up.

If this was even close to coming even with the added cost on rent, no one would be a landlord. It's obviously a lot less than rental overhead. So people could just set that aside (or get insurance).

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#126
Is the author accounting for the equity built up? Cash has to go out whether it’s a mortgage or rent. With a mortgage you are building equity. This changes the true math when you sell (leaving aside your ability to now get a HELOC).

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#127
post #15

I think 1% per year is insufficient for repairs. Even a paint job will cost more than that these days. There's also a potential HOA fee, even in many neighborhoods with freestanding homes. But there are tax benefits of home ownership too. The interest deduction used to very significant, although less now since they raised the standard deduction. There's also a $250K/500K non-taxable capital gains benefit when you sel…

Painting is one of the home improvment tasks that most people can do without hiring out, especially since it is typically a discretionary.

It’s fairly unpleasant at least in my opinion. I don’t want to spend hours breathing fumes. Also it’s boring and repetitive. And finally, IME professional painting is far higher quality (especially if you are texturing or have any complex shapes to paint around).

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#128

I am a DIY-er by nature with construction experience, I enjoy it, so when we wanted a bit more outdoor space, we moved from a suburban cul-de-sac to a slightly more rural property on some acreage, and chose an aged luxury home, feeling comfortable generally in my ability to be able to rehab it over time. After all, we're not in any sort of rush, and wanted the kids to experience putting work into the place where they…

Unless you live in an HOA, theres no real value/use in maintaining your full lot. Just let it grow, or have landscapers come in a few times a year and keep things trimmed. Forget irrigation.

Absolutely do not let cleared land brush/forest over because you (or the next guy) will need to incur expensive environmental permits to clear it and your land value will reflect that.

Likewise never reduce your paved or roof covered square footage. Even if you don't want that parking space or patio or falling down barn the developer who might be your next buyer is factoring that in.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#129
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I redid/improved... We are extending the fence in our backyard. However, getting rid of the parking means the project will likely detract from the value of the home. But since we don't have a car, let alone two, it makes sense for us to do the project anyway. Despite the warning of our realtor when we purchased the home. I've noticed a lot of folks are afraid to personalize their homes because of concern about the…

Once upon a time I had a car, a daily driver. I kept it clean, vacuum/wash/polish with crazy waxes and the works. Stressed out about people riding with dirty shoes, drinks, etc., and when I asked myself why, the usual self-justification was "ah it's for the resale value." Hearing relatives get charged various fees at lease returns just fed that attitude, even though I owned the car outright. One day it was time to re…

Of course, you should never sell the car to the dealer and should always make the effort to sell private party, which will often get you 50% or more greater than the dealers best offer.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An important qualification: if you rented as a kid, and now your kids are old enough to rent, your maybe-not-horrible experience is dated and probably no longer applicable. Apartments have largely gone corporate, and I assume also been taken over by private equity. Even cell-phone companies could learn a thing or two from their tactics.

I have had very good experiences with corporate apartments. They tend to have their shit together. Compared to renting from some random old guy that wants to “fix things himself”

Corporate apartments raise their rents in lockstep with the market, whereas at least some randos will leave it stable for some years in a row.
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