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Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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Post by em-bee »

lokar wrote: post #23
dude250711 wrote: post #13

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E.g. they have "free" higher education in Germany isn't it? Maybe not even just for domestic students?

I know a big factor in Korea is social relationships between the genders (expectations about housework, childcare, etc). The current arrangements are not attractive to many women. How is it in Germany? I would guess better

not much. the reality is that women still take a hit on their potential careers and income, and are expected to do most of the childcare work. another problem that i see not only in germany is that men are not trusted with children or being capable of doing housework.

also on the attractiveness for women, germany being less traditional means that more women are willing to break traditions, so even if the situation there is better for them, women are still less interested, which means the effect in the end is the same.

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Post by azan_ »

bpodgursky wrote: post #108
azan_ wrote: post #58

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No, the solution is increasing pension age. Funneling money from young to elderly is the opposite of solution.

I mean sure, but that's even less likely to happen.

I don't think so. I believe that there will be some kind of breaking point and young people will just refuse to provide luxurious space communism for pensioners.

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Post by [deleted] »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #118
qurren wrote: post #66

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If you want to incentivize people to have kids, hand out $500K-1M to anyone who wants to have kids. Don't penalize those who don't. And yes, kids cost that much. I'm a senior level software engineer in the bay area. I don't have kids. I don't think I can afford them. I'm tired of people telling me I can afford them. The world works differently today. In the 1980's, if you had a stable job that let you leave at 5pm, y…

There are plenty of people in the bay area who have kids who likely make less than you do.

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Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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Post by em-bee »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #55
ahtihn wrote: post #34

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> Many people can't afford to have kids Wrong. Poor people have 0 problems having kids. People can afford kids, they don't want to compromise on lifestyle.

> Poor people have 0 problems having kids. A simply WILD statement given the rates of children raised in poverty with all the trauma and issues that gives, who then oftentimes grow up to be their parents doing the exact same thing. > People can afford kids, they don't want to compromise on lifestyle. Previous generations didn't have to, ours does. So if people don't want to make that compromise, they won't. Maybe if…

we are talking about germany here. no child in germany needs to grow up in poverty even if both parents are unemployed and are living on social welfare.

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Post by lokar »

em-bee wrote: post #121
lokar wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a big factor in Korea is social relationships between the genders (expectations about housework, childcare, etc). The current arrangements are not attractive to many women. How is it in Germany? I would guess better

not much. the reality is that women still take a hit on their potential careers and income, and are expected to do most of the childcare work. another problem that i see not only in germany is that men are not trusted with children or being capable of doing housework. also on the attractiveness for women, germany being less traditional means that more women are willing to break traditions, so even if the situation th…

A mismatch between expectations (of women) and the current status (of men, and society).

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Post by em-bee »

guruide wrote: post #99
x3ro wrote: post #60

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If you want people to have children make it an attractive life choice, or even a viable option. A centrally located apartment in a desirable city with the space to house a family of 3-4 is out of reach for a very large part of the population, financially. That’s _before_ you even consider all of the other costs of having children. Meanwhile our chancellor talks of 70h+ work weeks, while spending hundreds of billions…

I’m not sure why a central location or a desirable city would be required? If that is more important than having children to someone, by all means, they should make those choices. But if they really want children, like I dreamed of since I was a teenager, then accepting a less costly living arrangement and lifestyle seems like a trivial sacrifice. I sometimes would rather live in a more expensive area, but I definite…

you are willing to make that tradeoff, but not everyone is. and as the goal is to get more people to have children, we need to make it more attractive.

you want parents to be able to live in the same desirable places as childless couples. and especially as the kids get older, they want to live in the places where other young people live, and where all the action is. that tends to be in the city centers.

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Post by medvezhenok »

Projectiboga wrote: post #97
hobofan wrote: post #15

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You are not wrong. But the reality of this government in Germany is that they are also cutting down on the assistance that parents receive. With both of those combined they are currently just redistributing wealth to the elderly that have created this mess.

Some couples are infertile so this discriminates against them.

Soviet Union had childlessness tax, but you were exempt if you could prove infertility

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Post by ghusto »

Projectiboga wrote: post #97
hobofan wrote: post #15

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You are not wrong. But the reality of this government in Germany is that they are also cutting down on the assistance that parents receive. With both of those combined they are currently just redistributing wealth to the elderly that have created this mess.

Some couples are infertile so this discriminates against them.

Adoption.
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