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Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

#51

So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids? Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.

It's the cost, but also the higher expectations of living nowadays. Social media, phones, computers, trips, etc.

The actual monetary cost of a child is high, for sure. But many people put that number higher due to lifestyle choices, not need. Social media certainly doesn't help.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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post #34

So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids? Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.

> Many people can't afford to have kids Wrong. Poor people have 0 problems having kids. People can afford kids, they don't want to compromise on lifestyle.

In a complex situation this is perhaps the most idiotic reductive thing you could think. But if you must insist on being reductive than i'd go with:

People could feed kids, but they can't afford to give their child a lifestyle similar to their own childhood.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

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post #34

So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids? Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.

> Many people can't afford to have kids Wrong. Poor people have 0 problems having kids. People can afford kids, they don't want to compromise on lifestyle.

> Poor people have 0 problems having kids.

A simply WILD statement given the rates of children raised in poverty with all the trauma and issues that gives, who then oftentimes grow up to be their parents doing the exact same thing.

> People can afford kids, they don't want to compromise on lifestyle.

Previous generations didn't have to, ours does. So if people don't want to make that compromise, they won't.

Maybe if we made it systemically a bit less awful to be parents more people would do it.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

#56

So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids? Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.

The point is to incentivize people to have kids.

You don't say?

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

#57

So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids? Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.

The machine needs more tax payers to keep politicians flying around the world in private jets. Produce tax slaves people, produce them now!

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

#58

Every rapidly aging country (most of them) will need to either do something like this, or deal with a total collapse of social services.

No, the solution is increasing pension age. Funneling money from young to elderly is the opposite of solution.

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

#59

So the plan is to make the cost of living even more expensive for people without kids? Do they understand the problem in the first place? Many people can't afford to have kids.

Now sure how things are in Europe where there is a bigger social safety net, but in the US, 36% of adults under 50 describe putting off having kids due to financial reasons.

https://www.marketplace.org/story/2024/07/29/fewer-adults-ha...

Re: Germany news: Childfree adults to pay more for elder care

#60

This is a challenging topic to discuss because (rightly) it's very personal. Sadly the fact of the matter is this: we need more children and young people to keep society functioning (and continually improve our quality of life). There is no other known way. So unfortunately the "free rider" problem needs to be addressed somehow. Of course, the "cruel" part is how it affects those who either can't have children, are g…

If you want people to have children make it an attractive life choice, or even a viable option. A centrally located apartment in a desirable city with the space to house a family of 3-4 is out of reach for a very large part of the population, financially. That’s _before_ you even consider all of the other costs of having children. Meanwhile our chancellor talks of 70h+ work weeks, while spending hundreds of billions on special military budgets, and also cutting health care funding..
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