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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Gigachad »

quikoa wrote: post #113
bandrami wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

The open models may not be as great but maybe these are good enough. AI users can switch when the prices rise before it becomes sustainable for (some) of the large LLM providers.

Currently it costs so much more to host an open model than it costs to subscribe to a much better hosted model. Which suggests it’s being massively subsidised still.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by StrangeSound »

Scotchy wrote: post #12
redrove wrote: post #10

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I’ve been using Codex Pro since they lobotomized Opus 4.6. Codex is so much better, GPT 5.4 xhigh fast is definitely the smartest and fastest model available. For a while there I had both Opus 4.6 and Codex access and I frequently pitted them against each other, I never once saw Opus come out ahead. Opus was good as a reviewer though, but as an implementer it just felt lazy compared to 5.4 xhigh. One feature that I h…

Any alternative to Claude Design ? Tried Figma with Opus 4.6 but it doesn't come close in my experience. Codex is abysmal for UI design imo.

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by LtWorf »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #96
bandrami wrote: post #94

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Making it more affordable would be very bad news for Amazon, who are now counting on $100B in new spending from OpenAI over the next 10 years.

Someone's going to get burned here that's for sure. This isn't going to end with every person on the planet paying $100 a month for an LLM.

A guy from Meta interviewing at BBC a few years ago claimed that every school child in India was going to have the metaverse VR or they'd be left behind in their education, so every family was certainly going to pony up the money.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by Gigachad »

carefree-bob wrote: post #86
bandrami wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

I think this has to be done with technological advances that makes things cheaper, not charging more. I understand why they have to charge more, but not many are gonna be able to afford even $100 a month, and that doesn't seem to be sufficient. It has to come with some combination of better algorithms or better hardware.

They probably aren’t planning on making the money on consumer subscriptions. Any price is viable as long as the user can get more value out of it than they spend.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by throwpoaster »

stingraycharles wrote: post #74
filleokus wrote: post #72

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But... Even when running it in mode 2 ("claude -p") they at certain points tried to detect OpenClaw-usage based prompts made, and blocked them [0]. Now OpenClaw says that Antrophic sanctions this as allowable again. I agree with GP that this is hard to take seriously. [0]: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357

I have never heard of this, and cannot be reproduced, and is not according to Anthropic's ToS. And there's a lot of FUD being spread around. They don't ban Openclaw prompts, each custom LLM application provides a client application id (this is how e.g. Openrouter can tell you how popular Openclaw is, and which models are used the most). Anthropic just checks for that.

No, if you ran Openclaw using Anthropic API as a provider, or had it use the ‘claude -p’ cli interface, you got an email from Anthropic threatening a ban unless you upgraded billing.

This was widely reported, and happened to me. You probably can’t reproduce it or see it in docs because they seem to have changed the policy.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by aurareturn »

freedomben wrote: post #115
aurareturn wrote: post #78

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Aren't they just doing what Hacker News was trying to tell them to do? That AI is useful but not sure if sustainable. Now they're increasing prices and decreasing tokens and you guys are pissed off.

I feel this has to be said constantly, though I hate doing it. hn is not a monolith. People here routinely disagree with each other, and that's what makes it great

I'm aware. When I say "Hacker News", I mean a very sizable portion of users who keep repeating the OpenAI collapse imminent opinion.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

Gigachad wrote: post #124
carefree-bob wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this has to be done with technological advances that makes things cheaper, not charging more. I understand why they have to charge more, but not many are gonna be able to afford even $100 a month, and that doesn't seem to be sufficient. It has to come with some combination of better algorithms or better hardware.

They probably aren’t planning on making the money on consumer subscriptions. Any price is viable as long as the user can get more value out of it than they spend.

"Sell this for less than it cost us" was a viable business plan during the ZIRP era but is not now

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #98
1una wrote: post #18

Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396

This is called FUD, amplify negativity, silence positivity

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #111
bandrami wrote: post #104

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I take it you don't remember 2008

Are we before or after the part where they start throwing money out of helicopters?

That's the interesting question, right? Because if this unwinds during a period of external inflation (say, because of a big war and energy shortage) then even the Bernanke would say helicopter money won't work

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by azuanrb »

zurfer wrote: post #107
rustyhancock wrote: post #75

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Consider Z.ai if you need "bulk" usage, GLM is now very good. They still have the occasional API brown out however. I used to use GLM mostly and had a Claude Pro subscription for occasional review and clean up. Now I just use GLM. I do think Claude Max is value for money. But it's more value than I personally need and I like Anthropic less and less.

Naive question but are you not afraid z.ai will train on your personal data?

FAANG already did this all the time isn't it? Regardless of their policy. US is no better than China from my point of view. In this case, I see no difference between sending my prompts to US or China companies. At least China models are open source.
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