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Post by dekhn »

MallocVoidstar wrote: post #89
sMarsIntruder wrote: post #7

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Google publicly promises not to do exactly what they did here. Why would this not be a story?

Where does Google publicly promise they don't do this?

For example, there's https://policies.google.com/terms/information-requests?hl=en...

"""When we receive a request from a government agency, we send an email to the user account before disclosing information. If the account is managed by an organization, we’ll give notice to the account administrator.

We won’t give notice when legally prohibited under the terms of the request. We’ll provide notice after a legal prohibition is lifted, such as when a statutory or court-ordered gag period has expired.

We might not give notice if the account has been disabled or hijacked. And we might not give notice in the case of emergencies, such as threats to a child’s safety or threats to someone’s life, in which case we’ll provide notice if we learn that the emergency has passed."""

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by rootusrootus »

dismalaf wrote: post #90
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

Believe it or not, immigration authorities (like the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency) have the power to enforce immigration laws. The author isn't American. Edit - wait until y'all find out other countries also have borders and laws...

Which immigration laws are they enforcing in this case? And are you also going to suggest that the Constitution does not protect foreign nationals inside the US?

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Post by hexmiles »

pesus wrote: post #100
jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

Have you run into any serious complications doing that? I'm a bit worried that I've used my google account for so long and for many things that I might accidentally lock myself out of something important without it.

Personally, I deleted everything I could but kept the Gmail account for a couple of years with a forward to my new account, and after that, I also deleted it. Google Takeout is a very useful way to quickly create a backup of everything Google.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by drnick1 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #87
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all ears if you've got someone that we can put in power that won't rat fuck us when it comes to privacy or civil liberties. Bonus points if they aren't just slightly less bad than the other guy.

Kamala was a lot less bad than Trump. It wasn't close.

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by pixel_popping »

traderj0e wrote: post #119
pixel_popping wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google leak ALL the time without warrant, Apple as well.

When have they done this before?

500k time a year: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by daytonix »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #77
smallmancontrov wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech indicates that this absolutely needs to be on the HN front page. > the administration’s rhetoric about cracking down on students protesting what we saw as genocide forced me into hiding for three months. Federal agents came to my home looking for me. A friend was detained at an airport in Tampa and interrogated about my whereabouts.

I'm all ears if you've got someone that we can put in power that won't rat fuck us when it comes to privacy or civil liberties. Bonus points if they aren't just slightly less bad than the other guy.

You should have been "all ears" during the election...

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Post by WalterBright »

soganess wrote: post #106
WalterBright wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are invited to visit someone's home, and you go, and say nasty things to the homeowner, you'll be tossed out despite your right to free speech. If you're a guest in another country, act like a guest. When I was living on a military base in Germany, I and my family were required to behave as a guest of the Germans. The military was quite strict about that. I didn't have any issue with that. When I travel to ano…

A country is not a house. Conflating the legal framework of a nation-state with the etiquette of a private living room is a category error. As John Locke demonstrated when refuting the patriarchal theory of government, political power is fundamentally distinct from household authority. A private home is governed by the unilateral property rights of an owner; a republic operates via constitutional law and public right…

Analogies are never perfect.

The point remains, however. If you're here on a visa, the visa can be revoked, and you can be ejected. Revoking a visa is not a criminal sanction and not a violation of your rights, as there is no right to a visa. Your citizenship cannot be revoked.

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Post by rdiddly »

dismalaf wrote: post #90
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

Believe it or not, immigration authorities (like the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency) have the power to enforce immigration laws. The author isn't American. Edit - wait until y'all find out other countries also have borders and laws...

Apparently they have the power to murder and kidnap American citizens too, or violate their rights if they happen to freely speak or assemble in ways they don't like.

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Post by hn_acc1 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #74
wredcoll wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech Do you think any of them were sincere?

I work in this industry. I sample the same distribution in person. I don't think they were, I know they were.

I'm seeing it in a lot of younger tech people. We had a NASA presentation at work about air quality and that forest fires are one of our biggest problems in CA. TWO separate people (from maybe 20-25 attending) brought up "do you think that if we managed our forests better, this could help?" (clearly talking about the crazy "raking the forests" Trump rhetoric). It blows my mind how "intelligent" people can be this stupid.

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Post by asdfman123 »

pixl97 wrote: post #118
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

You're making a mistaken thinking power is given. Quite often in the US government organizations 'just do', and it's the power of the executive, judicial, or legislative to stop them. Unfortunately Trump is doing whatever he wants at this point and ignoring anyone that says otherwise.

Democratic backsliding occurs through the gradual erosion of norms and safeguards. One small step at a time...
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