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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by auyez »

jncfhnb wrote: post #19
traceroute66 wrote: post #16

Looking at it from an alternative angle, the Iranians are not stupid. They know leaving the internet online would be beneficial for their adversaries, perhaps especially as Israel is one of them, and Israel's use of cyber is no secret. So by killing the internet, they have an instant air-gap firewall. Making the most of the levers they have fighting asymmetric warfare.

It’s very economically harmful to be disconnected. That’s the downside

It is possible to reduce harm by introducing white listed services. Kazakhstan did it in 2022, where only local bank apps worked during few days of blackout. I think Russia is doing it now with mobile network. If you can have a kill switch that activates intranet and cuts off internet in case of emergencies, then it can really help. The biggest threat are messaging apps and social media that can quickly spread information.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by imtringued »

swat535 wrote: post #115
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so. I think the bombing campaign needs to end, so I disagree with them on that. Based on what little we know coming out of Tehran (we only get a few min of landline phone calls from Tehran once a week), the issue is splitting families due to the mental strain it's having. That being said, the overall feeling is very much still pro-US. I think peop…

> My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so > I think people outside of Iran/Iranians vastly underestimate the disdain for the Iranian regime. Iranian here.. no, we're not celebrating US bombing our children. People are very united right now, the war is for the survival of IRAN. Our plight with IRGC is set aside to defeat the invaders attempting to take our home land. I'm not sure how…

USA hasn't set foot on Iran and is unlikely to do so in the future. Calling this an invasion requires some pretty intense mental gymnastics.

Meanwhile Iran is collapsing from just the water shortage alone. The idea that the US is the cause of Iran struggling for survival requires a pretty distorted world view.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by 8note »

imtringued wrote: post #122
swat535 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so > I think people outside of Iran/Iranians vastly underestimate the disdain for the Iranian regime. Iranian here.. no, we're not celebrating US bombing our children. People are very united right now, the war is for the survival of IRAN. Our plight with IRGC is set aside to defeat the invaders attempting to take our home land. I'm not sure how…

USA hasn't set foot on Iran and is unlikely to do so in the future. Calling this an invasion requires some pretty intense mental gymnastics. Meanwhile Iran is collapsing from just the water shortage alone. The idea that the US is the cause of Iran struggling for survival requires a pretty distorted world view.

the US set up a little base in iran a few weeks back and had boots on the ground firing against iranians.

one of the main peace demands the US has is to put boots on the ground to steal iran's uranium

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by underlipton »

asdff wrote: post #88
payamb wrote: post #27

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Due to years of corruption and mismanagement, leading to high inflation and high prices most people are below poverty line and living pay check to pay check and they won’t be able to literally feed themselves

This is the thing that is so curious about the concept of the general strike/siezing the means of production. The workers already have seized the means of production. I mean truly. Owner does not have the keys. Some manager unlocks the building for the day. Workers show up to the farm. Everything gets done every day whether the owner is there or across the globe or some dubious llc entity. The only thing the owner fu…

What does that look like in practice? Especially with so many transactions done digitally instead of with cash these days. Say, for retail: it used to be that the manager could simply not deposit the till overages, but now only a fraction of purchases are done with funds that don't travel over our heads via the bank cloud. I suppose you could, like, just give products away, and have the customer Cash App or Zelle you (or a store account) the purchase funds. Call it "escrow". Maybe send the cost of the product back to corporate and keep the margin.

I don't disagree, mind you. You probably could just keep the supply chains moving indefinitely while substituting actual trust for the pseudo-trust and obligation Capital's funds are supposed to engender. It would just be interesting to see the first steps.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by jameshilliard »

throwawayheui57 wrote: post #34
jncfhnb wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all likely true. Although I feel people undersell how they work together. Iranians broadly hate their government, yeah. But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure. Which the strikes have exacerbated. Social media is swarmed by people saying it’ll be like Iraq and Iranians will hate the US for its actions. I’m not convinced. My small anecdata of Iranian friends with contacts in Iran agrees with m…

> But the thing that gets them rioting is economic failure I believe Iranians want to be able to decide their own fate, with the dignity that all humans deserve. Without criminal domestic religious zealots and without foreign meddling and bombing. The previous protest was followed by the killing of Mahsa Amini, in morality police’s custody because of improper hijab. It’s not only economic hardships. But you’re right…

> I believe Iranians want to be able to decide their own fate, with the dignity that all humans deserve.

They certainly do, the domestic religious zealots/terrorists on the other hand murdered over 30,000 protesters in 2 days to stop that from happening.

> Without criminal domestic religious zealots and without foreign meddling and bombing.

The domestic religious zealots have essentially ensured that foreign military intervention is required to some degree for Iranians to have the ability to decide their own fate. At this point it's likely most Iranians support some form of foreign intervention.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by valianteffort »

e-khadem wrote: post #109
oa335 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No? Lost a loved one / a friend / a classmate? Perhaps when people see this (as I have) Sorry to hear that. Are you currently in Iran now? Or have contact with people in Iran?

I do live in Iran.

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Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by e-khadem »

oa335 wrote: post #118
e-khadem wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do live in Iran.

I hope you stay safe. What do you think will happen if the bombing campaign is successful in bringing down the government?

There's a very narrow and vanishing window of opportunity left to end-up with anything other than a total disaster, and even in that case I'm not holding my breath for the quality of life for the next 5 years. In the long-term, it's harder to predict than either side wants to admit.

If you need a hint, just take a look at what this regime did in Syria (600k dead and 12 years of internal war), in Gaza and Palestine (75k dead), in Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, and more. Most recently, this January in Iran with 40k dead. You see mullahs' footprints everywhere there is a humanitarian disaster, and I'm not optimistic about the future of Iran, in either case. These are not the kind of people that let go easily, they have a cataclysmic view of the world. They (literally) gave a "Passport to Heaven" to their fighters (Assad supporters) in Syria, and those very same fighters are chanting pro-regime songs (if you can even call it that) every night at every square and major street in the city.

As an Iranian, we saw these [death] figures as an abstract concept prior to these recent events. We (the ordinary citizens) heard about Yemen and the massacre in Syria, we "sympathized," and that was it. It wasn't until this January that it finally hit me, that 40k people dying is like 15 Tienanmen squares happening at once, or 5 times the D-Day battles casualties. And it's chilling to think about what the future will look like, knowing that this is only the beginning and we are choosing between "terrible" and "much worse."

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by asdff »

underlipton wrote: post #124
asdff wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the thing that is so curious about the concept of the general strike/siezing the means of production. The workers already have seized the means of production. I mean truly. Owner does not have the keys. Some manager unlocks the building for the day. Workers show up to the farm. Everything gets done every day whether the owner is there or across the globe or some dubious llc entity. The only thing the owner fu…

What does that look like in practice? Especially with so many transactions done digitally instead of with cash these days. Say, for retail: it used to be that the manager could simply not deposit the till overages, but now only a fraction of purchases are done with funds that don't travel over our heads via the bank cloud. I suppose you could, like, just give products away, and have the customer Cash App or Zelle you…

It might end up like the great depression where people go on bank runs and there is some panic and violence. Or, maybe people also end up just working in kind in a way.

On the one hand I see that money is some forcing factor to prevent everyone from living to some degree of excess. But on the other hand, if there were no money, it isn't like resources come out of the ether to meet demands for excess. I expect it would end up like the lifestyle we see in rural villages, where no one really lives much in excess of eachother, the community is basically sized to the limits of what the resources they manage to bring in can support. There might be different roles in the community but it isn't like one person's day's labor is worth significantly more than another person's in a different occupation like it is in our western society, where we might value someones day of effort the same as the days effort of a thousand people, simply because of their title, not because they have the strength of a thousand people.

In terms of how this might look across the globe, probably everyone moving towards median standard of living whatever it happens to be in that region. No hoarders of wealth any longer. Might be very scary for someone like Bezos, but for most of us probably the exact same standard of living that we already know. Probably better without all the waste going towards filling these unproductive hoards of resources.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by qingcharles »

alephnerd wrote: post #12
reliabilityguy wrote: post #4

Is Iranian infra centralized on the similar fashion like in Belarus?

It's way more centralized. Iran has been rolling out the National Information Network (essentially a whitelisted internet) since the Green Revolution [0] back in 2009-12. Iran has a surprisingly robust domestic ecosystem of hyperscalers [1] and telco infra [6][7] built out over the past decade with limited outside involvement and a severe sanctions regime, and have even started exporting Iranian IT services to Uganda…

What are the conditions for .ir domains, though? There are a lot of IR sites still functioning that are obviously hosted outside Iran and they are collecting money for Iranians.

Re: Internet outage in Iran reaches 1,008 hours

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Post by alephnerd »

qingcharles wrote: post #129
alephnerd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's way more centralized. Iran has been rolling out the National Information Network (essentially a whitelisted internet) since the Green Revolution [0] back in 2009-12. Iran has a surprisingly robust domestic ecosystem of hyperscalers [1] and telco infra [6][7] built out over the past decade with limited outside involvement and a severe sanctions regime, and have even started exporting Iranian IT services to Uganda…

What are the conditions for .ir domains, though? There are a lot of IR sites still functioning that are obviously hosted outside Iran and they are collecting money for Iranians.

Needs to go thru an institute associated with Iran's nuclear program and his headed by the brother of a cutlet/keema (Ali Larijani).

Not all dual use institutions are directly attacked - it reduces negotiating power.

Negotiations are based on defection and exploiting misaligned incentives.

Not sure what else I can say so I shall not answer other questions.

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