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Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by pjc50 »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #111
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #98

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I’m not going to let you hide behind a big word. You are publicly proposing “throwing all Republicans through a window to their death”. This isn’t normal, and it isn’t right. If we allow anyone to call for political violence, then we become numb to it. Worse still, your call to violence against Republicans gives them a call to defence, and then a call to preemptive action. “It was ok for us to shutdown HackerNews bec…

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

(It didn't, it was just an empty threat, but calls to political violence are the currency of the day)

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by pjc50 »

TingPing wrote: post #61
morkalork wrote: post #46

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This is... Shockingly reasonable. Would be perfect if it included other essential services e.g. domains used for online banking.

It’s technically problematic. The ISP should have little idea of domains you visit. And they can’t already when everything works.

Plenty of ISPs zero rate things like Facebook and other "partners". Especially easy when they control the DNS.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by pjc50 »

daveoc64 wrote: post #42
ratorx wrote: post #21

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UK has never had net neutrality, there are many limited data phone plans that include unlimited music/video etc

The UK does have net neutrality, and it's quite strictly regulated by Ofcom, which produces an annual report showing compliance and highlighting any issues it has investigated: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/internet-based-services/network-neu... Things like restrictions on tethering and using a SIM in a router are forbidden. Unlike most countries, net neutrality has never been a political football in the UK. Ofcom groups…

The important issue of net neutrality is not so much zero rating as degradation or blocking of content and services.

The OSA has forced the reverse: sites have to be non neutral as to where their traffic is going.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by nasretdinov »

mcmcmc wrote: post #94
Terr_ wrote: post #90

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To turn to other, much older publications... The US Constitution was written ~230 year ago, when the state of the art was carrying letters by horse, and it explicitly authorized making a public service to provide it scale, which became the US Postal Service. If the same ideals and priorities had been applied against today's technology, we'd have the US Networking Service. Certainly not a deluxe ISP (even today USPS e…

I’ve always thought it a travesty that USPS doesn’t provide a public email service

I guess it's also available today via RFC 1149

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by Markoff »

petre wrote: post #72
Markoff wrote: post #47

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meanwhile Czechia literally BANNED free Wi-Fi in restaurants and other establishments during COVID, so people will spend there less time, I understood the rationale if people already didn't have mobile data in phones anyway other things Czech gov banned during COVID-19 was singing in public places, no kidding! And I'm not even going to complain they banned sale of the toys, colored pencils and other items so people w…

> other things Czech gov banned during COVID-19 was singing in public places, no kidding! So, wait, no Christmas carolling? Was this the doing of Babis? Then only the drunk shall sing in public places, mainly because they're too drunk to care.

"Church services are limited to a maximum of 100 people, and singing is prohibited; the same applies to public participation in municipal and regional government meetings."

"In other regions, the operation of schools and educational facilities is being restricted in accordance with the Education Act, and that of universities in accordance with the Higher Education Act, such that singing is not part of the curriculum; furthermore, with the exception of the first stage of primary education in elementary schools, sports activities will also be temporarily excluded from the curriculum."

https://vlada.gov.cz/cz/media-centrum/aktualne/vlada-vyhlasi...

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by muneeer »

ksec wrote: post #113
techsystems wrote: post #44

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Yes it does, but you probably need a bit of context. They already have free Wi-Fi in every bus stop, train stations, government buildings, etc. like clocks, thermometers, air quality sensors, etc. The free Wi-Fi is very high quality, where you can watch 4K videos without stutters in most places (1080p for other places). This is more about basics instead of luxurious/entertainment purposes, where if they run out of da…

>The free Wi-Fi is very high quality, Haven't been to SK in recent years, but assuming quality as it is Fast , how does the log in system work? My main problem is not speed with modern public WiFi, especially in recent years enterprise WiFI 6 and coming WiFi 7 have gotten much better with signals and receptions. But simply just to use it. It is at least 3 - 5 steps to have it log in. And the login only works 95% of t…

Here in SK it’s actually pretty straightforward. Places like subways, buses/bus stops either use secured WPA/WPA2/WPA3 Wi-Fi with a shared password or open Wi-Fi where you just tap once to connect.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by Mali- »

linzhangrun wrote: post #115

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This comment is every policy discussion. I like [X POLICY] but [Y POLICY] would be miles better. Although [Y POLICY] is much further reaching and has never been tried at anything like the scale of a country, it's sort of similar to [Z POLICY] - which was tried for 2 years.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by seba_dos1 »

andrekandre wrote: post #103
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #98

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there are many democrats who would block such a thing as well. historically there is always the one or two who (perhaps too conveniently?) block or water down legislation: joe lieberman against public option [0], two democrats block student debt relief [1], the dynamic duo of manchin and sinema blocking voting rights legislation and build back better [2] [3]... you don't need to blame republicans for democrats sabota…

The US Democratic party is a mix of conservatives, liberals and socialists, so of course it's bound to happen in scenarios where one or two votes can decide whether something gets passed.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by jtmarl1n »

pjc50 wrote: post #121
legostormtroopr wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not going to let you hide behind a big word. You are publicly proposing “throwing all Republicans through a window to their death”. This isn’t normal, and it isn’t right. If we allow anyone to call for political violence, then we become numb to it. Worse still, your call to violence against Republicans gives them a call to defence, and then a call to preemptive action. “It was ok for us to shutdown HackerNews bec…

"A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again." (It didn't, it was just an empty threat, but calls to political violence are the currency of the day)

That doesn’t make it right either.

Re: South Korea introduces universal basic mobile data access

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Post by hamdingers »

foldr wrote: post #120
hamdingers wrote: post #80

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Net neutrality is not theoretical, it is literally the default setting. Any deviation from that default requires special effort be taken to identify network traffic and treat it differently, and as soon as you have made that effort you cannot truthfully claim to have net neutrality. The UK does not prohibit net neutrality but it does not require it either (according to the comment I replied to which I have not verifi…

I guess to me this seems a bit like saying that free markets are the default setting. We’re not in some kind of perfect state of nature. We’re in a complex interconnected society where virtually everything of any importance is regulated to some extent. What you’re saying seems like saying “as soon as you impose one regulation you no longer have a free market”.

This non sequitur strains my ability to assume good faith on your part. We're not talking about markets, we're talking about a utility.

Does your water company bill you differently depending on what you use the water for? Your gas company? Electric? This is not a complicated concept to understand, please make an effort.

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