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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by pjc50 »

stavros wrote: post #77
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #69

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both wars are equally unjustified, but the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war.

I'd say "I agree, the US should lose more people" but I wouldn't wish casualties on anyone. Still, the fact that the US can kill people without any cost because they send drones to do it doesn't sit well with me at all.

In fairness, Iran has also been conducting its campaign with missiles and the Shahed drones. The Iran-Israel war has killed a lot of people who are neither Iranian nor Israeli but happen to live in Palestine or Lebanon.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ceejayoz wrote: post #117
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94

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> the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option.

Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two. The two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself.

> Russia’s economy and military have been flogged for years to get to the current point. The US is just on month two

Russia's military power has been vastly diminished by its war. If America committed to a ground invasion and then stuck with it through the next President, yes, we'd probably see similar degradation of American martial ability over years.

> two powers have wildly different militaries and strategies. Comparing body counts is never gonna be a super helpful metric by itself

Agree. But it does point to the extent to which one system will go to reduce loss of life.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by stavros »

pjc50 wrote: post #121
stavros wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say "I agree, the US should lose more people" but I wouldn't wish casualties on anyone. Still, the fact that the US can kill people without any cost because they send drones to do it doesn't sit well with me at all.

In fairness, Iran has also been conducting its campaign with missiles and the Shahed drones. The Iran-Israel war has killed a lot of people who are neither Iranian nor Israeli but happen to live in Palestine or Lebanon.

Yeah I don't really like having to defend Iran, so I don't know what to tell you. Nobody in this is right.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mikkupikku wrote: post #110
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94

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> the US has lost what, 20 people per hour of his war Not sure why you're being downvoted. Russia's economy and military have been flogged by their war in a way America's has not. Moreover, we have midterms this year and a Presidential election in 2. Moscow has no similar 'fuck it' exit option.

The American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries. The longer this war continues the worse it will get. Nonetheless, the American people themselves are mostly safe at home, the precedent for Iran launching any sort of attacks against the American homeland is basically nonexistent. Even sending terror cells, you'd think Iran would be on this for how often their western critics accuse the…

> American people are already getting flogged when they buy fuel and groceries

No, we're not. It's bad. But it's nothing compared to Russia.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by pjc50 »

rainworld wrote: post #98
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82

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> Russia exchanges 20+ bodies for each received from The Ukraine Source?

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-... 1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks.

This is a rather grim comment, but: when a war is fought with 155mm shells, over 100k per month, that doesn't necessarily leave bodies.

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

srean wrote: post #114
gryzzly wrote: post #89

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Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

[To the downvoter, downvoting is not going to change the historical facts] It was the US that upended Iranian parliamentary democracy with a military coup, sponsored chemical weapons attacks on Irani population (through its proxy Iraq). This killed some 30k to 50k by way of chemical attacks alone. Credible sources estimate 100K killed by these chemical weapons attacks alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemic…

Only westerners can be bad actors or at all in historic events racism of the charts? It takes two to tango and iran is dancing its heart out.. and could have had the most peacefull life, if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east - first and foremost aimed at israel.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

curt15 wrote: post #113
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #85

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> Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? It's Iran. They haven't been following international law since 1979. That isn't an excuse to commit war crimes against them. But Iran really doesn't have any legs to stand on when it comes to complaining about targeting civilian infrastructure–they and their proxies have been doing this for decades.

>They haven't been following international law since 1979. History doesn't start in 1979. Why not go back to 1953? Overthrowing another country's elected government is no more conscionable under international law.

> Why not go back to 1953? Overthrowing another country's elected government is no more conscionable under international law

Nobody said you can't. I don't think the point is undermined. Neither the U.S. nor Iran have shown any consistent affection for international law.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by pjc50 »

igorramazanov wrote: post #73
mikkupikku wrote: post #63

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After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?

My personal opinion is that, it's because with the previous political and cultural trends, West had (maybe still has) actually quite high chances of collapsing and falling in the long term due to its own indecisiveness, lots of words mixed a lack of actions against coordinated and targeted efforts of Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea. I remember national state TV in Russia talking a…

> Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea.

Putting these all in the same list conflates very different situations.

    - Big actual threat with body count: Russia.
    - Russian proxies: Syria (very lethal, but mostly within Syria, not a "threat to the west", complicated by Daesh and AQ)
    - Nasty autocracy but stable cold war: NK
    - Autocracy, but largely minding their own business and with no real capability to threaten: Cuba, Venezuela
    - Major trading partner: China
> USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece

Trump era has systematically downplayed the threat from Russia. And let's not forget how many members of Trump campaign staff were jailed due to Russian influence.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by rainworld »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107
rainworld wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-... 1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks.

Article says "Russia is likely handing over more bodies than it receives since its troops have captured more Ukrainian bodies than vice versa, since they have been on the offensive for most of the war." That could be bullshit. But it holds water as a hypothesis. If Ukraine were suffering 20:1 casualty ratios against itself on the field, Russia would have won already. There are no weapons that can overcome a small bel…

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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Post by srean »

akdev1l wrote: post #119
kdheiwns wrote: post #96

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For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.

“What about…?” Does not make for a good argument.

When the comment is a response to another that justifies current attacks on Iran because Irani proxies killed US, it matters a big F'ing deal that those were in retaliation of the US historically scuttling Iranian parliamentary democracy and killing 50K Iranians by way of chemical munitions alone through its proxy.
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