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Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Most of Linux is written by corporations and that's just a kernel, not a full operating system like ChromeOS which took Google to be able to build.

I updated my comment to indicate GNU/Linux.

That still uses the Linux kernel which uses the work of mega corporations.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

The vast majority of people on this site can afford a couple hundred dollars for a basic Android phone that's used only for tasks like that, and as a bonus it's safer than having banking apps on your main phone. Anyone who isn't willing to spend a couple hundred bucks on the freedom to run whatever software they want on their phone probably doesn't consider software freedom a priority anyway.

Absolutely, and the cheapest Android phones are actually around $100.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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The absence of eSIM is a deal breaker for me. I need to travel to the US for work and last time I was there I was having a hard time to find a physical SIM for the phone I had then.

You could purchase a physical sim card that you load eSims onto. Personally I own one from https://jmp.chat/esim-adapter

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I just switched to a Fairphone 5 with e/OS, which is a de-googled Android (it uses microG), and am pleasantly surprised how well everything works. My banking apps work, contacts and calendar lived on nextcloud already, the learning apps I use work. The two things I have to get used to is not having google maps, but the map app on there has also worked fine for me so far. And casting to a Chromecast doesn't really wor…

If you want, we can ritually bury your Chromecast? I'll bring the marshmallows, spiders, and the Necronomicon. Oh, and two of my old Chromecasts, rotting in a drawer.

Yes but will you speak the exact words?

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works

Maybe I'm out of the loop but what is everyone doing with banking apps on their phones that's so essential. I see this argument all the time but it's baffling to me.

I have several hockey leagues and pick up sessions that only take payment via Venmo; prior to league or the session starting. Makes it way easier than going around to everybody in the locker room trying to round up cash.

I also use it for a few vendors for some small payments I make every month for my studio.

I don't use them a lot and I know some people that use them for 90-95% of the stuff they do which is crazy to me like yourself. I try and limit my use of the apps to as little as possible. Whatever works for people I guess.

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> But I have no idea if that means it'll work for you in the US/elsewhere. Yeah, that's a fun part of the crazy bandplan for lte/5g where it's just a little here and there without global coordination. But a look here [1], says it has all 5G bands for AT&T, 2/4 bands for TMo, and 4/5 for Verizon. Seems maybe a bit iffy for TMo, one of the missing bands is n71 (600 MHz) which is extended range that helps fill in covera…

Why aren't modern SoC modems just support all bands? How hard is it?

It's not only the issue of SoC modems but about the whole integration (RFIC, LNA/PA, RF switches, antennas...). The more bands you integrate, the more difficult it becomes (or with compromises such as worse performance because of wideband antennas...). If I may risk a comparison : you can't have a lense with a huge focal range that would simultaneously be perfectly sharp and have a wide aperture like fixed focals...

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

> Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project Realistically building a production quality database takes 10 years. Building a production quality game engine takes 10 years. They're building a mobile operating system and the hardware it runs on; that's harder and a moving target. How long do you think it takes to build a supply chain of hardware that doesn't suck (if it takes 2 years to get moving: you need to start wit…

If they can’t succeed against Google and Apple the project is useless.

Even if it’s not for lack of trying or lack of talent on their part, the fact remains their efforts could have been spent more productively elsewhere.

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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Jolla / Sailfish is a 13 year old project and through all this time they couldn't make a foothold, or even sustain some small motivated community around them. During this time: - company folded and changed hand multiple times, including russian ownership - the tablet scandal leaving users with lost funds - closed source parts - locked bootloader - charging a $50 device reset fee - not much change in Sailfish OS since…

You should instead check out Plasma Mobile devices. They're _very_ close to releasing something for daily use and the whole KDE stack on mobile has come a long way.

I have no idea about the state of ModemManager though, because that has been historically always painful to use.

I'm currently betting personally on a Hackberry Pi variant. It's a Wi-Fi only device, so doesn't have a SIM without a breakout/addon board though. But at least it's fully open source and not whatever SailfishOS is. To me, SailfishOS is the same kind of fail like the "ZTE Open" with FirefoxOS, which, contrary to its name, was not open at all.

[1] https://plasma-mobile.org/

Re: Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery

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I used Sailfish OS and so did several of my family members for many years. The "vanilla" Linux OS aspect (besides using rpm) makes it trivial to set up things like dnsmasq-adblocking, firewall rules, etc. Unfortunately, the Sailfish UI itself feels "different for the sake of different" and not because it's functionally more useful. I think the UI is pretty ugly and difficult to navigate. Anyone who "loved" Win8 tiles…

I still use Sailfish daily. I have no problem with the UI, but their Firefox is seriously outdated and predictive text for the keyboard is no longer available.

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Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more? Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

If you don't expect Google Pay / Apple Pay to work? Yes. There's a thread on the SFOS forums dedicated to this [1]. [1] https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/banking-apps-on-sailfish-os/1...

Using a Sailfish phone comes from the desire not to use Google or Apple. So wanting to pay using those companies seems an odd requirement. Luckily for paying there are still widely accepted alternatives.
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