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Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by Neywiny »

rawgreaze wrote: post #80
Neywiny wrote: post #68

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That's what gets me too. It feels so easy. Just don't store the source data. They usually say they don't, they claim it's deleted quickly or never saved to disk at all or other stuff and its always lies. Just don't save it and there's no attack vector. Same thing with plaintext passwords. The amount of password leak attacks I've seen in recent years is 0 (though I'm sure they're still around). Stored IDs and PII for…

The trick is that they delete the actual image of the face, but the embeddings (which can reconstruct the face anyway) are saved permanently onto their servers. You don't own your embeddings, and they never delete them.

Yeah let's trust them this time. Nobody's ever lied about that in the past and there's never been a breach of data that reportedly didn't exist. I'm sure this time it'll work out

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Post by phatfish »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #113
phatfish wrote: post #84

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Doesn't everyone have a digital ID already? My passport has biometrics, the government knows everything about me already through the tax system which is "digital". All my other interactions with the government are through digital services. What exactly would a digital ID allow a government to do that it can't already? Apart from solve all the issues with having to provide scans of (my already digital) ID documents to…

Digital ID to interact with government services is great. It becomes a problem when they add something like OpenID4VC to it, with the intention of linking it to all your online activity for "age verification". This would create one giant government metadata silo on every individual's online activity.

Like the real world there a services online that need age verification, unless we want kids to continue to be exploited by social media and freely access porn.

We aren't living with the internet of the 90's any more, it's now owned by corporations and bad actors. Yes, i know it's impossible to stop those that are determined to circumvent restrictions (just as can happen with alcohol or movies) but clear restrictions give parents that want to do the right thing cover when setting rules in their own family.

In the end society raises children not just individual parents, and society need to take some responsibility too.

Personally i don't see how an API call to complete a government ID verification could be used to create a giant "metadata silo", unless the companies using the API are voluntarily sending more data than some sort of one-time challenge token. If the companies are coerced into feeding the government with your account activity history, what is stopping the government forcing that to happen now without bothering to draw attention via a digital ID?

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by fragmede »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #115
fragmede wrote: post #77

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children have access to 4chan and ChatGPT. hacking the macOS kernel driver to disable the LED that says the camera is on should be out of the technical realm of children, but, well, it happened and was abused by children against other children.

Source? I thought the LED was hardwired to the camera power.

They are now.

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurit...

Shows that it was certainly possible, so the question is: do you believe in the power of 4chan?

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by h4kunamata »

Skype 3.0 is here folks.

After Reddit API drama, a lot of people left it to avoid using its app and terrible position from the CEO. I am happy to be out of it to be honest, it is an utterly toxic place. Reddit is there but no longer what it used to be, I will call it Skype 2.0

Discord has been having a rough time, data breach recently and now this. After this massive backlash and how bad the company is involved into wrong doing, Skype 3.0 is strong on this.

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by fooqux »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #110
fooqux wrote: post #60

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> The issue is that a single service can't just implement this. If I'm a service and I need age verification, I need something that I can implement by myself. I don't understand. A simple if age<18 check is quite a lot easier to implement than doing age verification yourself, or even shopping it out to some other "partner".

It'd be even simpler. If a device is in Child Mode (which would be activated by parents during setup, and require a separate PIN to disable), it'd respond with status.isMinor = true. Or even simpler, make it a HTTP header. What I meant is that it doesn't exist yet. It'd require operating systems, apps, browsers, etc, to all implement this system before a company like Discord can actually use it.

Eh, you're trying to boil the ocean. This functionality built into the browser would cover 99.9% of the use cases. Applications can be monitored separately, and I'm at a loss for why my OS needs to know about my age.

None of this matters anyway. If a 15yo boy wants to see boobs on the internet he's gonna find a way. There's so many ways to muck with the connection. Not to say these age verification checks work either; the recent usage of the Death Stranding character's face to bypass the checks is evidence of that.

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Post by xethos »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #104
xethos wrote: post #102

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We have that today though - it's called Matrix. While other platforms aren't literally built upon it like Hangouts was in the beforetimes, it allows inter-op with more platforms. Whatsapp, Telegram, Discord, Facebook Messenger, Signal, Google Chat (née Google Hangouts)... and those are just the ones I'm using. The full list includes more [0] We can disagree about what counts as good enough for the mass market in the…

> you can even change which app you want it to be. From a limited set of options. My friends are the mass market. You and I are savvy, tech folks and we know what Matrix is. I've got friends who work as car mechanics, secretaries, teachers, etc. They're not dumb, they can spend the time to figure out which app will work best for them on their computers and phones, but they don't particularly want to spend their time…

Sure, but they wouldn't have been the market for XMPP's cross-compatibility before, either. You would have been, and you can have that now - your friends don't have to move to Matrix for you to get one chat app to rule them all. They can stay on Discord, and it doesn't stop you from having inter-op text chat

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Post by rglynn »

phatfish wrote: post #84
jasonvorhe wrote: post #47

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It's not about age verification but control and digital id.

Doesn't everyone have a digital ID already? My passport has biometrics, the government knows everything about me already through the tax system which is "digital". All my other interactions with the government are through digital services. What exactly would a digital ID allow a government to do that it can't already? Apart from solve all the issues with having to provide scans of (my already digital) ID documents to…

I'm not sure where you live but a lot of countries don't have this (yet) or it is optional.

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Post by mvdtnz »

JPKab wrote: post #86
Hikikomori wrote: post #58

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And should not forget that Garry Tan the ycombinatior CEO attends the same church where Thiel held his Greta antichrist talk.

Garry is a good person and smearing people over their church is a disgusting thing to do. I am now going to sit here and listen to this talk because I guarantee it's not saying what you think it's saying. And I don't want to listen to it. It's not a topic that interests me. But I guarantee you are completely distorting what was stated in that topic for maximum effect, entirely motivated by left-wing politics.

You are wrong. Thiel's talks are as insane as we're saying. Also, it's not "disgusting" to tar people for belonging to a known toxic community of lunatics. It's completely rational. Cut the fake outrage. Idiotic religious beliefs don't have the same sacred value to most of us as they do to you.

Re: Discord distances from age verification firm after ties to Peter Thiel surface

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Post by mvdtnz »

JPKab wrote: post #116
Hikikomori wrote: post #101

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Going by your comment history any criticism of Thiel and the administration is just left wing politics, but hard to hear you over the sound of drowning yourself with kool-aid. Weird that you seem to support this administration that Thiel is very much associated with but find it offensive when there's a very clear association between Thiel and Garry. He's just going to this specific church to pray or whatever? Paying…

I've been on HN for well over 10 years. I literally volunteered for Obama's 2008 and 2012 campaigns, and my comments in that time period clearly show my politics. I taught free web scraping workshops at the Center for American Progress to journalists back then. None of my policy preferences have changed. What's changed is the frothing at the mouth radicalism and moralizing of the team I used to support. I'm not relig…

You ARE a religious radical.
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