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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by Marsymars »

mc32 wrote: post #68
Jtsummers wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your original claim: > It’s understood ~60-ish percent of the pop want all aliens deported not only criminal aliens Your "evidence": > 56% to 62% of Americans support the deportation of all immigrants living in the U.S. illegally [emphasis added] You do realize that the polling does not support your original claim, right? That "illegally" bit is rather critical and, notably, missing in your original statement.

The subject is people who entered illegally or have remained past their visas. Illegal aliens under federal law. Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents. They may want to limit some form of migration but that’s not the question and that’s not what ICE are concerned with. It’s not even in their scope in any way.

> Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents.

The kooks seem to be running the show.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dhs-100-million-deportations-...

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by 1718627440 »

palmotea wrote: post #112
Herring wrote: post #79

The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons. htt…

> The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons...…

> If the technocrats say "99% of the time immigration is great for the economy" and the people say "we don't want it, less immigration, please," what do you do?

Do less immigration where people feel it, invest into economic education of the general populace.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by 1718627440 »

15155 wrote: post #116
SetTheorist wrote: post #35

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No. That is not the case. The majority of deportations are of non-criminals.

Non-convicted persons, not "non-criminals" https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 Illegal entry is still a crime.

Innocent until proven guilty. Nobody is a criminal until some judge declared them to be.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by VBprogrammer »

15155 wrote: post #113
mc32 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The subject is people who entered illegally or have remained past their visas. Illegal aliens under federal law. Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents. They may want to limit some form of migration but that’s not the question and that’s not what ICE are concerned with. It’s not even in their scope in any way.

A common technique used by illegal immigration sympathizers is to artfully conflate the two for argument's sake.

A common technique used by racists is to pretend they are only care about illegal immigration.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by mindslight »

kreetx wrote: post #120
mindslight wrote: post #109

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Wut? You do realize that being in the presence of law enforcement officers is much different than the situation of being actively assaulted by them, right? For example, the other day I interacted with a few police officers in person by virtue of being tangentially-involved with a car crash. I laughed and joked with them, then went about my business. But if they had instead been surrounding me with guns drawn, it woul…

When driving towards a law enforcement officer, it is you assaulting them, not the other way around. Fleeing is against the law as well. Why did the woman attempt this? Ot, if it was so dangerous, what was she doing there?

"As I said, you're starting at a point where the ICE agent had already set up his pretext to execute her."

You keep coming back to this point in time, to the exclusion of everything that led up to it. Why?

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by mothballed »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #124
15155 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A common technique used by illegal immigration sympathizers is to artfully conflate the two for argument's sake.

A common technique used by racists is to pretend they are only care about illegal immigration.

Which is interesting when coupled with the fact that the people enthusiastically carrying that out is CBP agents (the people that murdered Pretti) at 50% latino/hispanic, and ICE also disproportionately latino. Why are minorities so overrepresented in the racist forces?

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by 15155 »

1718627440 wrote: post #123
15155 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-convicted persons, not "non-criminals" https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 Illegal entry is still a crime.

Innocent until proven guilty. Nobody is a criminal until some judge declared them to be.

Criminals are people who commit crimes generally, not just people who have been convicted of them. You can independently be charged with harboring a criminal awaiting trial regardless of their adjudication status.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by 15155 »

mothballed wrote: post #126
VBprogrammer wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A common technique used by racists is to pretend they are only care about illegal immigration.

Which is interesting when coupled with the fact that the people enthusiastically carrying that out is CBP agents (the people that murdered Pretti) at 50% latino/hispanic, and ICE also disproportionately latino. Why are minorities so overrepresented in the racist forces?

"Murder" is a very specific form of homicide and is both legally and morally unlikely to be the correct term here.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by mothballed »

15155 wrote: post #128
mothballed wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is interesting when coupled with the fact that the people enthusiastically carrying that out is CBP agents (the people that murdered Pretti) at 50% latino/hispanic, and ICE also disproportionately latino. Why are minorities so overrepresented in the racist forces?

"Murder" is a very specific form of homicide and is both legally and morally unlikely to be the correct term here.

Ok. Homicidal racist forces, disproportionately manned by minorities, who want to stomp on other minorities.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by 15155 »

mothballed wrote: post #129
15155 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Murder" is a very specific form of homicide and is both legally and morally unlikely to be the correct term here.

Ok. Homicidal racist forces, disproportionately manned by minorities, who want to stomp on other minorities.

Imagine waiting in line for a decade, going through a grueling process, following the rules and immigrating legally, only to show up and see hordes of criminal invaders who thought they were exempt from the same.
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