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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by piva00 »

bartholemew1 wrote: post #13
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.

Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…

> What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop?

Protesting? Civil disobedience? Thought you had freedoms. Freedom means being met with an appropriate legal reaction in case your acts are illegal, not death.

I struggle to understand how you feel that in a free society people can't react to perceived injustices, and act in protest of it. A free society doesn't force everyone to bow down to the powers that be for fear of injury or death.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by boroboro4 »

kreetx wrote: post #23
carefulfungi wrote: post #22

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A majority of recent detentions are of people without a criminal record. > According to DHS data, about 29% of those detained by ICE in January had criminal convictions, down from about 54% last February https://www.factcheck.org/2026/01/as-ice-arrests-increased-a...

Note that this percentage doesn't include any pending charges.

You can find stats including pending charges: https://bsky.app/profile/reichlinmelnick.bsky.social/post/3m... the main uptick in recent arrests is mostly people without any criminal charges including pending.

You can see that a lot of charges aren’t that “criminal” too - it’s traffic violations or immigration itself.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by SetTheorist »

bartholemew1 wrote: post #13
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.

Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…

You are explicitly saying that you feel more in common with Taliban or Tren De Aragua than with someone who wishes to exercise their Constitutionally protected right to peacefully protest against unlawful actions by agents of the government?

Also, I am confused why you think that allegedly spitting and/or kicking out lights is a justification for execution.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by SetTheorist »

mc32 wrote: post #21
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.

So before the death of the protester everyone was honky dori with the deportations? It’s understood ~60-ish percent of the pop want all aliens deported not only criminal aliens, but there is a large minority that only want criminal aliens deported and a much smaller militant minority that don’t want any illegal aliens deported regardless of severity of crimes committed.

It is absolutely not the case that 60% of the population wants all non-citizens deported. On what do you base your claim?

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by kreetx »

QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #24
kreetx wrote: post #23

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Note that this percentage doesn't include any pending charges.

Why should it?

These people just haven't been convicted - yet.

Of course, you might say "not guilty until proven otherwise", which is true. But they are in the US illegally anyway.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by nofriend »

bartholemew1 wrote: post #13
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.

Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…

>regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges

Disagreement from a class that refuses to disagree with their leader and no charges from the administration that committed the crime.

>What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop?

Presumably they thought the problem was that they were in the way, for which driving off would resolve.

>What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle?

The purpose of sending ICE there was to intimidate people, and dear leader was quite open about that. So we might rephrase the question as "why does a deliberate intimidation attempt lead people to feel intimidated?"

>It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can fully understand, although I don't support, why someone would join the Taliban or Tren De Aragua or whatever other group. I can understand those things. But I still struggle to understand the above.

Really? So then think of politics like sport, with the dems and repubs being two teams, and ICE being like fans from one team, and protesters are fans of the other, and they go out in the street to support their side. Now imagine that instead of your team losing being completely inconsequential, it could lead to you being poorer, your rights being taken away, etc. Now you understand politics, congratulations.

Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are

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Post by giancarlostoro »

SetTheorist wrote: post #34
mc32 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So before the death of the protester everyone was honky dori with the deportations? It’s understood ~60-ish percent of the pop want all aliens deported not only criminal aliens, but there is a large minority that only want criminal aliens deported and a much smaller militant minority that don’t want any illegal aliens deported regardless of severity of crimes committed.

It is absolutely not the case that 60% of the population wants all non-citizens deported. On what do you base your claim?

Probably based on Trump winning the last presidential election. Which doesnt tell us if thats the only reason they voted for him or the primary, but some people just generalize every vote as such.
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