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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by dyauspitr »

wagwang wrote: post #65
delecti wrote: post #58

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They view EVs as a moral threat. Can't get cognitive dissonance about your neighbor's dope new EV with perks your new ICE doesn't have, if your neighbor can't get EVs either. Loads of examples of "this is worse, so we're going to make it worse, so we're sure that it is worse".

I wish my ev has dope perks... too bad California is dead set on making EV charging more expensive then gas lol.

Charge at home, that’s the whole point. My F150 lightning costs about $14 in electric charges a month for about 600 miles on average.

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Post by baby_souffle »

nebula8804 wrote: post #112
exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

I guess we will find out if many of these things actually matter with the Slate truck. It is in many ways the antithesis of this electric F-150. If that vehicle fails then there are no more excuses, a significant chunk of Americans just don't like electric vehicles and are destined to be laggards.

I might be biased because I hang out in the slate subreddit and have been pretty attentive to The product as a whole since they announced it this spring but I think they're on to something assuming they can figure out how to build out the service and parts network.

The vehicle itself may be a runaway sales success but if there's only or two locations in each major state where you can get it serviced, that runaway success will be extremely short-lived.

In theory the simplicity means that it shouldn't be difficult to partner with any independent shop... No complicated or proprietary software theoretically means that any shop with tools and a lift can do the work.

Time will tell, though. I remain optimistic and eagerly await delivery of my truck.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Teever wrote: post #110
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #105

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> They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable Is this due to the parts problem?

Honestly sounds more like a regulation problem to me. So many companies will not prioritize serviceability unless mandated by law.

> companies will not prioritize serviceability unless mandated by law

Ford is “expected to take about $19.5 billion in charges, mainly tied to its electric-vehicle business” [1].

If serviceability was the problem, that sounds like a solid incentive to get it right.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ford-takes-19-5-billion-c...

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by tshaddox »

exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

Isn't the only EV F-150 the Lightning? The Lightning has always been the sports model, so I can't imagine it ever made sense economically as a work truck.

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Post by brandonmenc »

johanvts wrote: post #34
xoa wrote: post #20

I've been in the market for an electric truck for a solid 5 years now to replace my aging Nissan Frontier. There has yet to be anything attractive at all that has made it into production at any price I've been able to find. Everything seems to be a gas truck with some electric stuff shoehorned in not taking advantage of the new design opportunities at all, and generally with a little 4' bed instead of 6.5 or 8 that I…

Why do you need a truck? Serious question, in europe professionals have a van, like the Ford e-transit, and if you just need to haul some stuff from your summerhouse sometimes you hitch a trailer to your car. Why do you need a truck? Couldn’t you buy an electric van instead?

> Why do you need a truck?

To haul dirt. To haul junk out to the dump. Etc.

Do people load their Transits with piles of dirt and mulch? I doubt it.

I live in the US and have a small house in the city, and I haul stuff like this all the time.

Yes, you can rent a pickup truck as needed from U-Haul, but that gets old real quick.

Yes, I would love it if there was a nice small or mid-sized truck with an extended bed available, because most trucks are overkill for my use case.

But this idea that no normal person needs a pickup truck a dozen times a year is just weird.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hnburnsy wrote: post #52
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #28

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I have heard great things about the Rivian trucks. They seem to have rabidly loyal customers, like the Teslas.

>I have heard great things about the Rivian trucks. They seem to have rabidly loyal customers, like the Teslas Dead last... https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/research/2025/10/24/cons... And have you seen the stories about fender benders? https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivian-r1t-fender-bender-turns... https://axleaddict.com/news/a-small-rivian-r1t-dent-just-cos... https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/7-months-…

From your first fender-bender link: “So a $42,000 rear bumper replacement seems exorbitant, but Apfelstadt says he’s happy with his truck.”

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by brandonmenc »

Qworg wrote: post #118
xoa wrote: post #20

I've been in the market for an electric truck for a solid 5 years now to replace my aging Nissan Frontier. There has yet to be anything attractive at all that has made it into production at any price I've been able to find. Everything seems to be a gas truck with some electric stuff shoehorned in not taking advantage of the new design opportunities at all, and generally with a little 4' bed instead of 6.5 or 8 that I…

Given what you need, you should look at a Telo. https://www.telotrucks.com/ Not launched yet though.

All of these are "not launched yet."

I thought the Slate looked interesting. Then the price started creeping up.

I'll just buy a Ford Ranger or Maverick instead.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ninkendo »

bdcs wrote: post #79
kerblang wrote: post #51

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Okay are we just saying they just discontinued one electric F150 in favor of another? Meh. Edit: Oh, an EREV is fancy way to say "hybrid" ok

>Oh, an EREV is fancy way to say "hybrid" ok Kind of. EREVs are what locomotives have been doing for a century (and to a lesser extent barges), which is called diesel-electric in that field. I agree the terminology is lacking, but EREVs are quite compelling (and their high market share in China supports consumer demand). Hybrid: * ICE must run during regular operation (except for ~very short distances at ~very slow s…

I guess you’d call my Chrysler Pacifica an “EREV” then.

It’s honestly perfect for us. 32 miles on a charge, we barely touch the gas except for the winter when it’s so cold out we need the engine to warm us up. Any other time and the battery is all we need, and it charges overnight on a simple 110V wall outlet. Long trips are still possible, you just drive. We go through maybe 8 tanks of gas per year with our occasional long trips (compared to having to stop at a charging station for an hour, I’ll take it.)

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Post by ghaff »

roadside_picnic wrote: post #116
nospice wrote: post #98

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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive So are RAM trucks and I don't think they're hurting for customers. I think there are two fundamental issues. One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US - i.e., if you're progressive, you're supposed to hate them and see them as the symbol of the gun-totting macho redneck culture, and if you're conservative, yo…

> One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US Based on my personal experience traveling, there's a more practical reason for the political divide. I spend a good portion of my life in rural parts of the US these days, where most of the residents are pretty conservative. But these are also parts of the country where I get nervous when I'm on 1/4 tank of gas. If you're routinely out in plac…

I do know someone who bought a Tesla after debating it for a long time. And it was only after getting comfortable with the range for a mostly weekly drive into the country.
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