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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by kerblang »

hnburnsy wrote: post #27

From Ford... Ford Follows Customers to Drive Profitable Growth; Reinvests in Trucks, Hybrids, Affordable EVs, Battery Storage; Takes EV-Related Charges https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/ford-re... >As part of this plan, Ford’s next-generation F-150 Lightning will shift to an extended-range electric vehicle (EREV) architecture and be assembled at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michig…

Okay are we just saying they just discontinued one electric F150 in favor of another? Meh.

Edit: Oh, an EREV is fancy way to say "hybrid" ok

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by hnburnsy »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #28
xoa wrote: post #20

I've been in the market for an electric truck for a solid 5 years now to replace my aging Nissan Frontier. There has yet to be anything attractive at all that has made it into production at any price I've been able to find. Everything seems to be a gas truck with some electric stuff shoehorned in not taking advantage of the new design opportunities at all, and generally with a little 4' bed instead of 6.5 or 8 that I…

I have heard great things about the Rivian trucks. They seem to have rabidly loyal customers, like the Teslas.

>I have heard great things about the Rivian trucks. They seem to have rabidly loyal customers, like the Teslas

Dead last...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/cars/research/2025/10/24/cons...

And have you seen the stories about fender benders?

https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivian-r1t-fender-bender-turns...

https://axleaddict.com/news/a-small-rivian-r1t-dent-just-cos...

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/7-months-later-an...

https://insideevs.com/features/669752/rich-rebuilds-rivian-r...

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by bink »

exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive

They definitely aimed for the luxury market, like Rivian. Who knows how successful they would've been if they aimed for mid-range like Scout. That's the market they claimed to be entering when they started taking reservations. They also could've offered a fleet ready version without the luxury features, but must've decided not to.

> They're difficult to repair

How so? They are far simpler to maintain than a normal F-150. They're new so they do have parts issues for the electronic components, I'm sure, but I think that's a fair trade-off. In any case, I don't think offering a hybrid version makes the vehicles easier to maintain or repair. If anything it's the opposite.

> Parts availability is scarce, contrasted with a regular F-150 (even junkyards are full of spare parts, that aren't software constrained)

I thought one of the advantages of the F-150 was that most parts were shared with the standard F-150? The battery and motors, maybe not.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by vondur »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #6

https://archive.ph/k2S9O for those who have read their last free article. Interesting that Rivian seems to be doing fine in this space.

They are a luxury brand. I don't think that they directly compete with Fords. I do see a lot of them here in SoCal.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by xgulfie »

sanj wrote: post #41
vondur wrote: post #2

I would imagine for 80% of truck owners, having an electric truck is fine. However, if you are towing or carrying heavy loads, they are a bad choice. I suspect most F-150 drivers barely ever do these sorts of things. I have an F-150 but do use it to tow my travel trailer on vacation.

Hard disagree: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ebBSjmfouGjcGqm9

That is one truck

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by [deleted] »

hnburnsy wrote: post #27

From Ford... Ford Follows Customers to Drive Profitable Growth; Reinvests in Trucks, Hybrids, Affordable EVs, Battery Storage; Takes EV-Related Charges https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/articles/2025/ford-re... >As part of this plan, Ford’s next-generation F-150 Lightning will shift to an extended-range electric vehicle (EREV) architecture and be assembled at the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center in Dearborn, Michig…

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by darkstar999 »

Andrex wrote: post #8

The Maverick used to be the truck but they've jacked it by like almost twice the price since debut. With so much "upmarket momentum" the e-F150's days were numbered. Now I'm sitting here wondering when we'll get another small Ford truck again. This same exact story played out with the Ranger and the decades without a smaller option sucked then too.

They've jacked the base price up from ~21k to ~27k. Certainly not almost twice the price.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by delecti »

LUmBULtERA wrote: post #40

I wish if this U.S. administration and U.S. carmakers don't care to promote EVs, that they'd at least let in the Chinese manufacturers that are interested in them.

They view EVs as a moral threat. Can't get cognitive dissonance about your neighbor's dope new EV with perks your new ICE doesn't have, if your neighbor can't get EVs either. Loads of examples of "this is worse, so we're going to make it worse, so we're sure that it is worse".

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by bink »

LUmBULtERA wrote: post #36
ChuckMcM wrote: post #6

https://archive.ph/k2S9O for those who have read their last free article. Interesting that Rivian seems to be doing fine in this space.

I hope that Rivian does fine, but they still aren't profitable are they?

They turned a gross profit, but they've only been selling vehicles for three years. It'll be several more before they are a profitable company. No company can build out two manufacturing hubs (hundreds of millions each) and turn a profit so quickly.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by bflesch »

lefstathiou wrote: post #50
LUmBULtERA wrote: post #40

I wish if this U.S. administration and U.S. carmakers don't care to promote EVs, that they'd at least let in the Chinese manufacturers that are interested in them.

I think the issue is that the administration is in an adversarial relationship with China. Risky to allow a foreign power have a kill switch on critical infrastructure.

Just to clarify: We accept the security risk of kill switches in networking equipment, smartphones, laptops, servers, clouds, processors, bluetooth firmware and nvidia driver blobs, but we draw the line at civillian cars?

And in contrast to the listed items above, for civillian cars you can choose from dozens of countries who produce them. And if you cannot accept security risk of owning a "kill switch" car then you can still go back to gasoline or diesel.

I feel it's crazy to collectively accept security risks in vital electric equipment but suddenly cars are the one product that becomes a political issue. An unlike cars there are very limited alternatives with electrical equipment.

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