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Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by realusername »

vbezhenar wrote: post #69
malfist wrote: post #45

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Let's be honest, nobody is asking for android based desktops, google just wants to normalize rent seeking 30% of all software sales.

I'm asking for Android-based desktop. Windows is so bad, that I've lost any hope for it to recover. MacOS is not that bad, but it's tied to Apple hardware and I don't like it. Also it's not getting better either, new releases bring more bloat and features I didn't ask for. Linux is what I use, but I also lost hope for it to ever become polished experience. Just recent months they introduced another bug to GNOME which…

Depends what you mean by security, if by security you mean sanboxing of apps sure, if by security you mean that you trust what's in your OS and you can control it, it's worse than desktop Linux.

Security isn't just about technical features but also about trust, while I trust my Linux desktop, I don't trust my Android phone with the Play Store running as high privilege, advertising id in the OS and unknown manufacturer additions.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by pjmlp »

laidoffamazon wrote: post #50
wkat4242 wrote: post #30

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Only the first netbook came with Linux. The Asus EEEPC 701. This was mainly because it was so underpowered it couldn't run windows (and some nonresizable dialogue boxes didn't even fit on screen). But they dropped it with later models.

The 701 did run XP, even came pre installed with it on some models in later 2007!

That was part of Microsoft's move that eventually killed netbooks, turns out when OEMs don't need to pay for licenses, they go Windows.

It was rather limited though, in the amount of applications running simultaneously, around four if not mistaken, without going into press archeology.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by pjmlp »

MishterKirby wrote: post #58
pjmlp wrote: post #24

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It is called iPadOS Pro.

Are you referring to the iPad Pro or is there an actual iPadOS Pro I've never heard about?

Of course I am referring to what millions of people buy today, many of whom that is their only computing device.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by rmu09 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #89
atkirtland wrote: post #88

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What's the GNOME bug?

I'm using shortcuts +1 ... +4 to switch between virtual desktops. Let's say there's Xwayland application launched on desktop 1 and I'm on desktop 4. Vscode for example. Now I press +1 to switch to desktop 1. At this point, vscode starts printing "11111111" until I press Esc. This bug manifests both for vscode and Idea. I configured these apps to run under native wayland, but they're not ready and other bugs manifest…

Interesting. I sometimes get similar behaviour on KDE / wayland, usually it is "2" or "3", and it seems to only affect electron apps. Always thought it has something to do with a dodgy ps/2 to usb converter I use to attach my old mechanical keyboards. I think it does not happen if electron apps are started with "--ozone-platform=wayland" but not completely sure, and I have no reliable way to reproduce or somehow trigger that behaviour.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by izacus »

zrm wrote: post #120
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #81

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Do you personally go through every line of source code for your Linux distribution?

That's not the relevant part. The relevant part is, if you find it's doing something you don't want it to be doing, can you read and modify the code that does that ?

So you're not.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by ivell »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #103
bandrami wrote: post #40

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The point of open source is I don't have to trust the person who wrote it

You don't have to. Which is good! But in practical terms there is a lot of trusting of someone/their-code going on. Unless you are reading/understanding it all . I trust linux more than windows. But I've never read a line of it...

I think their point is that the source being open keeps the developers more honest. Of course there have been supply chain attacks in open source, but that is more probable to be found out than closed source ones. In short, auditability improves security.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by saurik »

vbezhenar wrote: post #91
KetoManx64 wrote: post #71

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It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

> My ideal environment would be Windows 95-like WM with zero configuration options which just works out of the box the way I want.

Why would we have any reason to believe that there would ever be a super-opinionated desktop environment that would be good? The examples we have -- which notably DO NOT include Windows 95, which had a zillion tiny knobs, many in the UI, but others requiring dropping to the registry (which is no different from screwing with confirmation files)... and, frankly, doesn't even include macOS, the system with some of the best customization of key bindings and the most universal automation -- are mostly bad. Put in the day or two of effort to make something that isn't opinionated work the way you want, and then reap the rewards for the following few decades of your productive career.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by raphinou »

vbezhenar wrote: post #91
KetoManx64 wrote: post #71

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It's pretty openly known that GNOME is hostile to its own userbase and their preferences,, why continue to use it instead of KDE or any of the other 10 DE environments?

I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

This is an honest question, not trying to get into an argument...

> I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me.

Why not use the default provided then and take the defaults as opinionated? That's what I do actually. I might change very few options, but I generally use the defaults. It's not that you have to configure kde before it becomes usable, the defaults are pretty ok.

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by vbezhenar »

jopsen wrote: post #116
vbezhenar wrote: post #91

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I don't want extensible software. KDE is terrible in that regards. They have miriads of options, that's too much for me. I want opinionated software. I don't like GNOME, but it's the lesser evil and I learned to deal with its issues. Also I don't like that KDE does not have its native launcher. I need to install some SDDE stuff which works under Xorg or something like that and looks ugly. Pretty weird stuff all that.…

Lots of opinions that are less than idea in gnome. But the only one that really breaks me is lack of typeahead in Nautilus. I just want to type D, enter and open Documents/, how hard can it be. It's been almost a decade since they removed it, and I still can't use vanilla Nautilus. I always end up with Nemo or a patched Nautilus. rant aside, the rest of gnome seems fine. Don't love it, but also don't hate it. I can a…

Works for me. I'm typing D, it instantly filters the list of files and selects first item. That's "desktop" for me, so I need to type O or press Down to select "documents" and type .

Re: Google's new 'Aluminium OS' project brings Android to PC

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Post by te0006 »

Does anybody think Aluminium as a brand name is a good choice? Especially considering the intended expansion towards the premium market. To me it sounds cheap, second-rate, ersatz. What you use if you cannot afford a better metal. Chrome is shiny, aluminium surfaces soon get dim again after any polishing attempt.
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