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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by marcoalopez »

drnick1 wrote: post #10

Are there any other people who hate notebooks? Give a plain old script anytime. Run and edit anywhere without extra packages or even a Web browser.

Jupiter is excellent at what it is designed for. For example, my usual workflow is as follows: when I develop a tool or model, I do so in a plain Python file. I then import the file from the notebook to create figures, demonstrations, documentation and so on, resulting in an immediate document that my colleagues and I can easily use for discussion. It's as simple and effective as that. It is also a great tool for teaching coding to beginners. Of course, notebooks are not designed for code development. Also, nowadays, if you want to, you can open notebooks in dedicated apps.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by roadside_picnic »

simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

> an interesting product launch

This looks less like an "interesting" product, and more like a case of pivoting a commercial product that isn't making enough money into an open source one in the hope of at least gaining some credibility from all that work as well as undercutting the competition.

> They've built something genuinely useful and interesting

This core product has been around for years now. If it was that interesting and useful, more people would have likely paid for the original offering.

I would certainly recommend taking this 'release' with a touch more cynicism.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by kevinrineer »

verdverm wrote: post #48
dbunskoek wrote: post #3

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

Marimo has been acquired (last week), does the SaaS enshitification pattern give you any pause? https://marimo.io/blog/joining-coreweave

Thanks for the link. I'm not a subscriber to their blog and would otherwise not have known about this change that affects the recommendations I have been giving people.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by akshayka »

verdverm wrote: post #48
dbunskoek wrote: post #3

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

Marimo has been acquired (last week), does the SaaS enshitification pattern give you any pause? https://marimo.io/blog/joining-coreweave

This is Akshay, the original creator of marimo. Our whole team has come over to CoreWeave. We're building a whole lot more, not less, and our number one priority continues to be the open-source. We're also growing the open-source team, i.e. we're hiring.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by swyx »

flexagoon wrote: post #56
simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Why is "View source" listed here as if it's some outdated feature of the past?

it is since Javascript compilers and minification became a thing

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by drnick1 »

marcoalopez wrote: post #121
drnick1 wrote: post #10

Are there any other people who hate notebooks? Give a plain old script anytime. Run and edit anywhere without extra packages or even a Web browser.

Jupiter is excellent at what it is designed for. For example, my usual workflow is as follows: when I develop a tool or model, I do so in a plain Python file. I then import the file from the notebook to create figures, demonstrations, documentation and so on, resulting in an immediate document that my colleagues and I can easily use for discussion. It's as simple and effective as that. It is also a great tool for tea…

Any reason your colleagues can't run the original Python script? It seems like your workflow entails going back and forth between script and notebook or having to make changes in two places to keep both versions in sync.

Then there is also the issue that notebooks are too complex to version-control effectively.

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