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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Thanks for the feedback Simon!

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#52

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

Will github render a Marimo notebook as if it has already been executed, like they do for Jupyter notebooks?

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#53
post #44

I’m not familiar with Deepnote, but I have quite a lot of experience with Jupyter, and if someone were to ask me if there are more modern alternatives I would immediately point them to marimo ( https://marimo.io/ ). For me marimo is already a successor to Jupyter, it has replaced it entirely for me.

But doesn't marimo force certain workflows that jupyter does not? For example its website states that "Notebooks are executed in a deterministic order, with no hidden state — delete a cell and marimo deletes its variables while updating affected cells." This appeals to people doing traditional software development work in notebooks, but it breaks workflows where people use notebooks as notebooks, where state is entir…

Anyone trying to reproduce the results in a shared notebook certainly hates that "feature"

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Why is "View source" listed here as if it's some outdated feature of the past?

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

#57
post #10

Are there any other people who hate notebooks? Give a plain old script anytime. Run and edit anywhere without extra packages or even a Web browser.

Notebooks aren't competing with scripts, they're competing with REPLs.

ML and scientific applications in particular tend to have segments that run for a long time, but then you'd like the resulting script to be in a state where you can mess with it, maybe display some multimedia output, etc, without re-running the long-running segment. Notebooks fit this need to a tee.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #51
post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

Thanks for the feedback Simon!

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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post #10

Are there any other people who hate notebooks? Give a plain old script anytime. Run and edit anywhere without extra packages or even a Web browser.

Notebooks are closer to using a repl than a script.

One key feature is that you can run a long data-prep/processing step and then iterate on whatever comes after without having to re-run the compute intensive steps to get the data (i.e.) you want to graph

Another key feature is learning and sharing knowledge. Images, markdown, graphs, links, code... all interwoven. Scripts do not have affordances for these things. In this sense, Notebooks can be closer to reproducible blog posts.

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