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First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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> you just beating up a bully will mean some other kid(s) will get beaten up (or beaten up even more) further down the line oh you need to convince them that more beatings would be forthcoming if they step out of line again.

This idea is naively appealing, but is not backed up by research. Closely related, corporal punishment results in kids who are more likely to try to get their way through violence. Though they'll also take care not to be caught doing so. This is one of the big reasons why psychologists argue against using corporal punishment.

I do believe there's a difference where the punishment comes from.

Aggressors[0] generally attack others one of or a combination of these reasons:

1) Pleasure/amusement/entertainment. Some people simply enjoy seeing others (everyone, specific subgroups or specific individuals) suffer.

2) Personal benefit/gain. Very often this is simply social status among peers. As aggressors grow, they refine these strategies (both consciously and unconsciously) to also gain social status in the eyes of people in positions of power (e.g. superiors/supervisors/managers), often with a resulting material benefit. Sometimes the material benefit is more direct - e.g. scammers.

A) If the punishment comes from people in positions of power:

With reason 1) it offsets the pleasure they get but quick corporal punishment is probably less effective than longer punishments such as exclusion from activities or having to perform laborious tasks.

However, with reason 2) any punishment, corporal or not, creates or reinforces a persecution complex (after all, they are just doing what they think everyone should be doing - climbing the social ladder) and often even helps them gain status because they are doing what their peers secretly also want to do - break the rules and stick it to the people in positions of power.

B) If the punishment comes from peers or especially the target, it defeats both reasons. Very few aggressors get pleasure from betting beat up by their target or other peers. And with reason 2 especially, they now risk losing social status if the target wins or it's a signal that this the behavior is not accepted by the group if it comes from peers.

The issue with B often is that to onlookers who don't know how it started, it looks like 2 people fighting, instead of one being the aggressor and the other being the target mounting a successful defense. But that can be solved through better education of people in positions of power.

What I find especially concerning are all these zero tolerance policies which actively encourage people to not defend others and sometimes even themselves.

[0]: I generally don't call them bullies because that conjures an image of children in a schoolyard but these people grow up to become adults and their behavior is driven by the same urges and incentives, it just manifests slightly differently. Being an aggressor is a mentality and a personality trait.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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What a weird way of phrasing that. The whole point of ethics in multiple disciplines is to try and study the principles of humanity in the society we've formed. The areas of philosophy, medicine, justice, and religion are filled with centuries of discussions trying to argue and explain a lot of these matters. But the philosopher of the Internet of today, instead of curiosity of reasoning and arguing for what should c…

The centuries of ethics discussions have nothing to do with the current institutions that gatekeep science and health with worries and trivia, any more than philosophers of nature are responsible for enviromentalists not letting us build housing. I'm entirely referring to anti-growth bureaucrats. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/08/31/highlights-from-the-co... Ethicists seem worse for the world than actually unethical…

I believe that many of the criticisms are either naive or intentionally ignore the importance of ethical oversight in research. The existence of these processes ensures that research is conducted with rigor and thought, which is crucial for maintaining high standards. Some examples suggest they aim at those high standards, and yet fail to see the value on these.

These applications allow you to dissect, discuss and reason about every presumption you had coming in, how you handle people's data with care, understand the risks and be prepared for anything.

They help both you and your participants. Help you not be an idiot, help you to grow and question your own procedures, and ultimately help you write the damn paper as you have clearly given the matter enough thought at that point. You need to prove yourself, and that is a good thing.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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I'm sorry that happened to you. That's so horrible. Wanna make me beat up bullies, man. Got damn bullies.

Most bullies just vent out what they suffer at home, school or workplace. They already punish themselves by not reacting against the real source of their problems.

A valid rationalization but never an excuse. At some point the buck has to stop being passed around. Standing up to all instances of violence is the only way to stop the endless cycles.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Interesting. I am no expert but this might be related to photonic luminiscent emission while on stress as it happens with almost every living being.

You mean light? How is this related to regular emission of light?

https://www.sciencenewstoday.org/the-secret-glow-of-life-how... this

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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post #95
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you just beating up a bully will mean some other kid(s) will get beaten up (or beaten up even more) further down the line oh you need to convince them that more beatings would be forthcoming if they step out of line again.

This idea is naively appealing, but is not backed up by research. Closely related, corporal punishment results in kids who are more likely to try to get their way through violence. Though they'll also take care not to be caught doing so. This is one of the big reasons why psychologists argue against using corporal punishment.

> This idea is naively appealing, but is not backed up by research

Anecdotally, it worked for me :shrug:

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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I have lost consciousness several times in my life. Not a pleasurable experience specially as last time I did it because of such extreme pain that I thought I was passing away. However I have had always recollection of those seconds or minutes when I was unconscious: there was always an intense and quick succession of memories and images accompanied by sound. At some point the external sound from people trying to rea…

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/25/the-possibilia... When David Eagleman was eight years old, he fell off a roof and kept on falling. Or so it seemed at the time. His family was living outside Albuquerque, in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains. There were only a few other houses around, scattered among the bunchgrass and the cholla cactus, and a new construction site was the Eagleman boys’ idea of a per…

Had a similar incident in my teens.

I was at scouts and we’d set up a monkey swing on a branch next to a river.

While I was on it, I somehow realised the knot on the branch was coming undone and was able to witness its unravelling in slow motion.

The fall was also slow, as I hit the ground I cried out, but more from shock than any pain.

Very luckily I had landed on the soft sandy riverbank rather than the rocks in the river I had been above just moments before.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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I had heard something unsettling about anesthesia that I could use verification or debunking. The gist was that modern implementations suppress memory formation rather than induce unconsciousness. That you remain in some sense aware of what's happening but don't remember the experience. This is safer than traditional methods, but could potentially subject the patient to complex mental or emotional trauma. Is that acc…

No, it's just a creepypasta. Before surgery, you're given an amnestic to help reduce immediate anxiety and avoid remembering going into the OR and getting prepped - which people don't generally enjoy. Then you get the anesthesia, which puts you to sleep. They put you on a respirator, which - alongside helping your barely/non-working lungs - delivers a gaseous anesthesic to keep you asleep. Because some reactions to p…

> you're given an amnestic to help reduce immediate anxiety and avoid remembering going into the OR and getting prepped - which people don't generally enjoy.

In that case, they don’t seem to work that well for me. Or maybe they do it differently here.

I always remember going into the OR and being prepped.

My anxiety for my last surgery was huge up until the moment I passed up. The best I got was the anaesthesist telling me it was normal for someone in my circumstances (I’d not had anxiety the last few times, so was very confused as to why I had so much this time, I was freaking for some reason)

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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I have been unable to find the article since—I think it must have been Scientific American. Perhaps in the 1980s.

In any event, it described training a neural network, perhaps it was number recognition. The author said that when they "destroyed" the network it began to have "flashbacks" that resembled early training sessions.

That always stuck with me.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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My first time I remember the anesthesiologist asking me to count backwards from 100. I assumed the process would take 30 to 60 seconds. I don't think I even hit 97..

Yeah, people think they can "fight" it, but you can't. That stuff will knock you out. The counting is just so they know when you're out.

It’s generally very quick, but I suppose not perfect as on one occasion, they had to give me some additional kind of injection because for some reason, I was still awake. The guy doing it seemed confused.

With whatever he did additionally, as he did it he goes:

“Let’s try this again, start counting back from 10”

I might have made it to 9 the second time around.

Does this mean they messed up the dosage or something? I’ve had the same guy since and it’s never happened again.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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post #15

I have lost consciousness several times in my life. Not a pleasurable experience specially as last time I did it because of such extreme pain that I thought I was passing away. However I have had always recollection of those seconds or minutes when I was unconscious: there was always an intense and quick succession of memories and images accompanied by sound. At some point the external sound from people trying to rea…

For contrast, when I was put under with propofol for surgery, there was nothing. I thought I would gently fall asleep, but it was actually extremely fast. It went from "tell me about your life" which the anesthetist uses to check your state to "oh so came here for uni..." to "huh the surgery is over" in a single cut. Nothing in between, nothing like that thing you feel when before you fall asleep at night or wake up…

> Nothing in between, nothing like that thing you feel when before you fall asleep at night or wake up in the morning.

Same. I was put under twice and both times it was like someone flipping a switch from conscious to unconscious. When I woke up it was like nothing happened save for a slight groggy feeling. It was not like sleep where you feel rested, as if you lost time.

edit: to add when going under the first time I was laying down on the operating table as the anesthesiologist made small talk with a nurse I suddenly felt super high while the room started to spin - POOF out.

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