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First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by vermilingua »

lynx97 wrote: post #33
vermilingua wrote: post #2

I’m sure there would be a long line of willing terminal and euthanasia patients who would join a study to record their final moments, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done yet.

I am not so sure about this. What would motivate someone to willingly transform their last moments into a medical experiment, with all the risks of being treated in not-so-nice ways? Almost nobody wants to die in a hospital in the first place. And as part of a medical "experiment", no thanks. Science can fuck off as long as they don't have control over their (small, but existing) emotionally detached workers. https:/…

I don’t see any reason why this would have to be an uncomfortable experience. A study with this kind of potential could easily get funding to relocate necessary equipment to a home or chosen location (assuming the participant is able to die outside hospital), and once the equipment is set up and running it’s unlikely that operators would even need to be present.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

Gooblebrai wrote: post #31
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #30

I read an article a while back, than when something really bad happens to the body, the brain looks back into memories to "see" how to solve the problem - maybe it happened before and it will know what to do (like when you cut yourself the second time, you know exactly what to do). But because it never encountered something like it, it cannot find a solution. And apparently this is why people when they die see their…

Could you share the link to that article?

Sorry, but it is something I read a while back. If I find it again and don't forget, I will share.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by lelag »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #36
IshKebab wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the question is incorrect. There isn't an exact time when someone dies.

Given that we don't really have a precise definition of "alive", it should not be surprising that we are unable to tell the precise moment a person dies.

Miracle Max gave us a clear definition if I recall, you die when you are "all dead", as long as you are mostly dead, you are slightly alive...

I'll let myself out now.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #32
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #30

I read an article a while back, than when something really bad happens to the body, the brain looks back into memories to "see" how to solve the problem - maybe it happened before and it will know what to do (like when you cut yourself the second time, you know exactly what to do). But because it never encountered something like it, it cannot find a solution. And apparently this is why people when they die see their…

Wouldn't your life flash before your eyes on every new bad event then? Like your first cut?

I guess the example I gave was a bit dumb.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by kakacik »

Reflecticon wrote: post #29
_2zip wrote: post #18

When I was around 15, I used to hang out with a guy who was much senior to me, and he would bully us sometimes. One day, when we were bantering, I cracked a joke that a third guy with us (who was my age) found funny and crackled. The bully grabbed my neck and choked me till I lost consciousness. I remember having memory flashbacks related to missing a train, and someone waiting at the wagon door, waving at me to hurr…

I'm sorry that happened to you. That's so horrible. Wanna make me beat up bullies, man. Got damn bullies.

Their life is shit already, that's why they act as they act, passing aggression on to others in vain effort to get rid of some of that 'evil' in them.

I understand this knee-jerk reaction very well, but it just feeds the neverending spiral of aggression. We humans act like storage of both good and bad, it then comes back up in various situations.

What I want to say - you just beating up a bully will mean some other kid(s) will get beaten up (or beaten up even more) further down the line. I am not saying love can fix it all, it can fix many things but sometimes once people become broken they just stay broken and there is no real way back.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by Firehawke »

cantor_S_drug wrote: post #45
tirant wrote: post #15

I have lost consciousness several times in my life. Not a pleasurable experience specially as last time I did it because of such extreme pain that I thought I was passing away. However I have had always recollection of those seconds or minutes when I was unconscious: there was always an intense and quick succession of memories and images accompanied by sound. At some point the external sound from people trying to rea…

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/04/25/the-possibilia... When David Eagleman was eight years old, he fell off a roof and kept on falling. Or so it seemed at the time. His family was living outside Albuquerque, in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains. There were only a few other houses around, scattered among the bunchgrass and the cholla cactus, and a new construction site was the Eagleman boys’ idea of a per…

Something like that happened to me in first grade. I was trying to go down a slide and a friend decided to climb the slide itself. He ended up launching me off the side of the slide. It was maybe a five or six foot slide, and I remember going over the side in slow motion, grabbing for the rim of the slide but being at least 6" away from reaching it, and then suddenly.. sharp pain and pitch black as I landed on my back.

I was conscious again about 10-15 seconds later. It's the kind of thing that sticks with you your whole life. It probably wasn't close to life threatening, but the combination of adrenaline, sharp pain, and brief unconsciousness definitely leaves an imprint in your memory.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by beowulfey »

Noumenon72 wrote: post #39
dmacedo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a weird way of phrasing that. The whole point of ethics in multiple disciplines is to try and study the principles of humanity in the society we've formed. The areas of philosophy, medicine, justice, and religion are filled with centuries of discussions trying to argue and explain a lot of these matters. But the philosopher of the Internet of today, instead of curiosity of reasoning and arguing for what should c…

The centuries of ethics discussions have nothing to do with the current institutions that gatekeep science and health with worries and trivia, any more than philosophers of nature are responsible for enviromentalists not letting us build housing. I'm entirely referring to anti-growth bureaucrats. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/08/31/highlights-from-the-co... Ethicists seem worse for the world than actually unethical…

Without ethics, other motivations inevitably end up undermining any good intentions an experimenter may have. Ethics are the "laws" of science that constrain us for the sake of all. Your opinions here reflect a Libertarian bent, I bet.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by exe34 »

kakacik wrote: post #55
Reflecticon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry that happened to you. That's so horrible. Wanna make me beat up bullies, man. Got damn bullies.

Their life is shit already, that's why they act as they act, passing aggression on to others in vain effort to get rid of some of that 'evil' in them. I understand this knee-jerk reaction very well, but it just feeds the neverending spiral of aggression. We humans act like storage of both good and bad, it then comes back up in various situations. What I want to say - you just beating up a bully will mean some other k…

> you just beating up a bully will mean some other kid(s) will get beaten up (or beaten up even more) further down the line

oh you need to convince them that more beatings would be forthcoming if they step out of line again.

Re: First recording of a dying human brain shows waves similar to memory flashbacks (2022)

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Post by exe34 »

lynx97 wrote: post #33
vermilingua wrote: post #2

I’m sure there would be a long line of willing terminal and euthanasia patients who would join a study to record their final moments, I’m surprised this hasn’t been done yet.

I am not so sure about this. What would motivate someone to willingly transform their last moments into a medical experiment, with all the risks of being treated in not-so-nice ways? Almost nobody wants to die in a hospital in the first place. And as part of a medical "experiment", no thanks. Science can fuck off as long as they don't have control over their (small, but existing) emotionally detached workers. https:/…

> Science can fuck off

not all of it, presumably, if you want to express your distaste on the magical glass slab and you want pain killers on your way out.

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