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EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by slowpoke »

ralfn wrote: post #25
zwdr wrote: post #19

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I'm not against using these buttons, the harmful/annoying thing is that they're used to set tracking cookies. The most simple solution would be to put them on an extra page or only enable them when the user clicks some button. But I'm sure if smart people think about it they find much more solutions. Obviously the designers of this site didnt, and thats what I dont like- being against "bad monopolies" and giving FB m…

You could just, you know, choose not be logged in with facebook. Im not. And as for tracking cookies: every website has them to some extend. And every browser lets you pick the policy you prefer. But if you care some much.. Go help them out!

>You could just, you know, choose not be logged in with facebook. Im not.

This utterly misses the point. This is not about being logged into Facebook or not. I don't have a Facebook account I could be logged into, and they still try to track me (if they could, and wouldn't be shitlisted by at least 4 different filters, that is).

Facebook has no business with me. They can - and should have to - stay the fuck out of my life. The same goes for the other billions of people who don't have a Facebook account and hopefully won't get one.

And even if you are logged into Facebook, that still gives them no right to track you. Privacy is an inalienable right that you cannot give away by signing up for a Facebook account.

>And as for tracking cookies: every website has them to some extend.

That's not an argument, that's a lame excuse. Everyone needs to stop this shit. There's no justification for it. And no, targeted ads are not a justification. If your business model depends on infringing on the privacy of people, then your business modell is highly unethical and should be illegal.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by petitmiam »

catenate wrote: post #21
victork2 wrote: post #4

Well it embodies the best and the worst of internet movements. While the foundations are good: protecting the web from bad laws, restrictions etc... the execution is really ridiculous. Imagine you're an old style Senator or representative and you see that website with a weird ass looking cat... Do you really think it's going to make them think you're anything but a joke? I find that the words used are equally ridicul…

I'll second this. That stupid-looking cat tells me nothing about the goal of the movement, what it's fighting against, or the character of its supporters, other than they probably also like nyancat or hello kitty. If you want a serious symbol, use the liberty cap that Congress couldn't bring themselves to use on their statue of Columbia.

Is the Internet Defense League just an American thing?

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by [deleted] »

ralfn wrote: post #108
crazygringo wrote: post #24

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I totally agree that the cat/league/etc. is ridiculous. The problem is not with old style senators. The problem is with the 95% of the general population that is confused or turned off by it. You're trying to convince the general electorate, which then determines who gets elected. It does feel like a little club of geeks, which is not effective as a movement that aims to convince/beyond that circle.

Everybody considers themselves a geek these days. Because they like batman, board games or scifi movies like avatar. Lets hope a majority of people will be fooled into thinking they are part of a special club of l33t interweb freedom f1ght3rs. I am being both sarcatic ( about how everyone thinks they are a geek these days ) and honest ( about that it could actually work ) here.

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Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by petitmiam »

ralfn wrote: post #10
whichdan wrote: post #2

Really? A giant cat?

It is not supposed to be a lobbyist. It is supposed to be a poltical movement. Its political marketing aimed at voters. It should target the type of teens on facebook, that you and i may look down upon. As far as im concerned, they dont even go far enough. We need a comic. We need memes. RESCUE MONORAIL CAT FROM THE CLUTCHES OF THE EVIL INTERNET HATE LEAGUE. FIRE UP YOUR MEMES AND BLAST THESE CORRUPT SENIORS OUT OF C…

This reminded me of Anonymous rallying the troops for some LOIC action.

I think the Internet Defense League has got it right.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by petitmiam »

_b8r0 wrote: post #70
tomp wrote: post #64

Too bad this seems very US centric...

If you're in the UK you could do a lot worse than join the ORG[1]. Maybe non-US resident HN'ers can co-opt this thread to post their own local feline alert movements. [1] - http://www.openrightsgroup.org/

It's a shame non-US residents would have to set up something locally.

I had hoped for a truly global 'Internet Defense League', which then could have smaller branches for country/region specific issues.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by chris_wot »

Spearchucker wrote: post #82
rapind wrote: post #51

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35? Really? I'm over 35 as are most of my friends, and I seriously doubt any of them are going to be scratching their head at the cat reference. Suggesting we would is a little insulting to be honest. Not to mention the Justice League play is more my generation than yours. I think you need to up your age boundary a bit. Maybe 45, and even then... Anyways, all of you youngsters who get the cat signal are certainly cap…

Kids today. People over 45 invented the Internet.

Kids today. People over 60 invented the Internet. Vint Cerf was born in 1943.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by chris_wot »

stinkytaco wrote: post #115
guelo wrote: post #98

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Why? Why do you need to make those distinctions? The doctor couldn't fly to Haiti if he hadn't been funded. You need a lot of different pieces working together to make big change.

But someone who posted "Like this if you love Doctors in Haiti" did very little, just as people signing up for a website do very little. I don't like to belittle "raising awareness" campaigns because I know how important they are. But there is no substitute for getting your feet on the ground or your money from your wallet. I worry that we are creating a generation of people who think posting something in their faceb…

This is a little different. For every person who felt they contributed to defeating SOPA, that's a person that politicians have to consider when enacting legislation. That's called paticipatory democracy, and it's pretty awesome!

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by chris_wot »

mcguire wrote: post #95
sophacles wrote: post #91

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I find that the words used are equally ridiculous: "League", ... To be fair, the following all get a lot of congressional hearing time: * American League * National League * National Football League

* League of Women Voters * Anti-Defamation League

League of Nations... Oh sorry, that's the UN.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by catenate »

petitmiam wrote: post #122
catenate wrote: post #21

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I'll second this. That stupid-looking cat tells me nothing about the goal of the movement, what it's fighting against, or the character of its supporters, other than they probably also like nyancat or hello kitty. If you want a serious symbol, use the liberty cap that Congress couldn't bring themselves to use on their statue of Columbia.

Is the Internet Defense League just an American thing?

Don't think so. The liberty cap has been a symbol of emancipation from slavery in Western culture since ancient times. There's a statue of Columbia, goddess of liberty, atop the dome of Congress. She was designed with a liberty cap, but was created too close to the American civil war for the south to accept the symbolism.
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