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The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by asdf000333 »

vundercind wrote: post #117
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Wikipedia definition isn't complete, otherwise Wikipedia itself is social media too. Actually, that's a decent point; it should probably add something about being primarily focused on the user interactions. That is, Wikipedia isn't social media, but I'd hesitate to say that the talk pages aren't. > Basically nobody outside of HN would consider HN social media if they saw it. And on that point we definitely disa…

No “social graph” whatsoever. Instantly disqualifying. News-aggregator-with-comments isn’t social media.

Yeah this is a good succinct way to put it.

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Post by filoleg »

tessierashpool9 wrote: post #103
nox101 wrote: post #25

My friends with young kids 3-11 all let their kids use iPads. All of the kids seem well adjusted, able to read (a worry I saw), etc. I have no idea what limits they have but the kids are social, they don't hide on their iPad when people visit but instead interact with the parent's friends. The point being, unlike lots of comments here, I haven't seen any evidence of ill effects of young kids have access to electronic…

> it doesn't seem to be the screen that's the problem that is not a surprise really. a happy child will prefer real life interaction while an unhappy child will try to hide somewhere.

Ouch, that kinda hit the nail on the head of why I personally preferred the screen when I was growing up in late 90s and 00s. Didn’t even think of it in those terms until now, but yeah, it tracks nearly perfectly.

Even as an adult, I noticed that my (non-productive) screen consumption spikes during periods of high stress and turmoil.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by filoleg »

latentsea wrote: post #14
000ooo000 wrote: post #2

Curious how tech-oriented parents here are approaching TikTok et al with their kids. My kid isn't walking yet, but for when the time comes, I'm not sure how I'll limit exposure to what I'd call "pure trash", but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff.

I repeated to my boy that the Chinese government uses it to spy on people and he won't go near it for that reason. Yay propaganda.

And when he finds out later in life that it was just propaganda, his trust in you and any warnings of a similar kind will go entirely away. Which carries a massive e risk of doing the exact opposite of what you intended (despite the advice itself, at the core, being pretty decent).

Case in point, the massive failure of D.A.R.E. drug abuse prevention programs for children and teenagers in the US. Yay propaganda.

Turns out that even when the advice itself is decent, you can easily sabotage it all in the long term by using those types of propaganda methods. All just for a short-term “win”.

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Post by raydev »

smittywerben wrote: post #86
nashashmi wrote: post #54

I believe the lawsuit brought by the states against TikTok is a part of a broader mission to arrest control over TikTok in the US at a sweeter price. And while I don’t think TikTok is an angel, i see the whole consolidated effort at “taming” TikTok as being for show and claim of positive reformations. It’s disingenuous. It’s deceptive. It’s conspiratorial.

This won't be popular opinion but I think the tech industry is out of control with targeting kids. Like seriously my job in the banking industry was more ethical than this.

> This won't be popular opinion but I think the tech industry is out of control with targeting kids

Seems like the majority opinion every time the subject comes up on HN, and X, and on Facebook, and in discussions with people in real life and so on.

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Post by raydev »

Geeek wrote: post #30
nox101 wrote: post #25

My friends with young kids 3-11 all let their kids use iPads. All of the kids seem well adjusted, able to read (a worry I saw), etc. I have no idea what limits they have but the kids are social, they don't hide on their iPad when people visit but instead interact with the parent's friends. The point being, unlike lots of comments here, I haven't seen any evidence of ill effects of young kids have access to electronic…

>I have no idea what limits they have. I think that's the key part here.

No, I think the key is that the kids haven't been banned from using them but are still fine.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by raydev »

000ooo000 wrote: post #2

Curious how tech-oriented parents here are approaching TikTok et al with their kids. My kid isn't walking yet, but for when the time comes, I'm not sure how I'll limit exposure to what I'd call "pure trash", but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff.

My now late-teens had complete access back when TikTok was called musical.ly. The youngest was 12 when we handed them iPhones. All we ever enforced with them was strict Screen Time lock at 9pm, and then a couple years ago we turned that off because they were already more conscientious than their mother and I are now. We still need to approve any app they install, but all the most Evil Mind Destroying Apps are on their phones, TikTok, Snapchat, IG, etc.

They are fine, do well in school, and are about to be venturing out of our house with much optimism.

I understand every child is unique. But you should understand your children's weaknesses and strengths, and build restrictions around that.

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Post by kelnos »

nkrisc wrote: post #111
eitally wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may think this now but maybe wait until your kid is in middle or high school. Adolescent life is coordinated online now, and you will literally be handicapping your kid if you take a hard line.

His 7 year old friends are not coordinating things online. I know this because we are doing so with their parents.

That doesn't contradict what the parent said. "Adolescent life is coordinated online now" -- your 7-year-old is not an adolescent.

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Post by stiltzkin »

000ooo000 wrote: post #2

Curious how tech-oriented parents here are approaching TikTok et al with their kids. My kid isn't walking yet, but for when the time comes, I'm not sure how I'll limit exposure to what I'd call "pure trash", but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff.

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Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Post by kelnos »

djhn wrote: post #102

I know many 90s kids that had a complete ban on video games at home, myself included. I am now pleasantly surprised that while I find many games impressive and can appreciate them as feats of engineering, art and game design… I don’t get a level of enjoyment out of them that would risk addiction or avoiding other life responsibilities. It’s never the first or even the top tenth choice of activity to do on a day off.…

My parents were skeptical of video games, but bought me a NES for Christmas in 1986 (or maybe it was '87?) after much begging. My memory is fuzzy about a lot of things in life (even much more recent things), but I still fondly remember spending time with friends in the neighborhood, going to each others' houses, and playing Nintendo. Through luck or nearly-unnoticeable parental restrictions, we never became addicted, and still spent plenty of time outside playing in yards, riding our bikes, and exploring the woods.

These days I game occasionally, but fill most of my time with other things.

I think complete bans on most things as a kid isn't the way to go, and can be harmful, even. Granted, today's social media makes me rethink that...

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