Telegram founder charged with wide range of crimes in France

Post by RandomThoughts3 » Fri, Aug 30, 2024, 1:25 PM UTC

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> I find it deeply uncomfortable that the HN contingent is rushing to defend the French government on this matter. I find it deeply uncomfortable that the HN contingent is rushing to defend Telegram like if it was an open attack of free speach and not justified by Telegram completes lack of cooperation in crime investigations. >If Telegram really was not answering enforcement requests in a timely manner, then France…

Yes, it does send a message. But it should only have been done after rules have been set and are clear to everyone. Simply, proper law first established and in place and then due and proper process followed. Acting opportunistically without warning and or out of vengefulness or malice brings Justice into ill-repute. Like entrapment, this is action is about as low and debased as it gets. The French Government could ha…

Post by RandomThoughts3 » Fri, Aug 30, 2024, 2:15 PM UTC

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No, they don't do joke articles. It's not the Onion. That wouldn't be called satirical in France anyway. It's satirical in the sense that it takes a mocking tone. It doesn't do parody.

Who said anything about articles only ? For instance, this one is obviously a parody : https://francois-pelletant.fr/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/0...

Post by ThePowerOfFuet » Fri, Aug 30, 2024, 5:57 PM UTC

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> What are your sources on "utterly compromised security on telegram"? Have you looked at the "encrypted" protocol? Wonderfully complex, and the key authority is telegram, with little to no way to spot bait and switch. But thats the "secret" messaging. Everything else is plain text and stored centrally. its basically facebook/slack with better cyrillic support.

These are all false claims. Messages are not stored in plaintext. Secret Chats are E2EE and use standard crypto primitives. All of this is well-documented. [1] [2] [1] https://core.telegram.org/mtproto/AJiEAwIYFoAsBGJBjZwYoQIwFM... [2] https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end

Post by rightbyte » Fri, Aug 30, 2024, 8:58 PM UTC

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It's hilarious that what you impute to them is, essentially, that they don't have enough bullshit: useless management that hires endless hordes of bootcamp graduates for no reason (then lays them off when cheap money are over), no BS conferences without any substance, no hires of overpriced American "talent" when they have a tremendous pool of much much much more affordable and no less qualified people from CIS count…

> Also, let's not pretend that a chat app is some kind of rocket science that requires a company of gazillion engineers You cannot be serious. A service with a billion users and Telegram’s feature-richness and complexity cannot be maintained by a few people. If it’s true that there are no Telegram alums on LinkedIn, etc., that is deeply suspicious.

Post by bdjsiqoocwk » Sat, Aug 31, 2024, 8:42 AM UTC

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To make things even stranger, Durov was apparently invited to lunch by Macron. Instead of a presidential welcome, he was arrested on arrival. Source: https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1828529272539304278

I find it deeply uncomfortable that the HN contingent is rushing to defend the French government on this matter. The European Union has been angling for more comprehensive access to messaging platforms with proposal after proposal. Everyone here loves to sing the praises of the EU but broad regulatory powers is not a clear cut value proposition: European governments and those governed have a long history of oppressio…