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I Quit Spotify

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Re: I Quit Spotify

#121

I totally recommend Radio FIP (France Inter Paris) for anyone a little frustrated with Spotify. I listen to this for hours each day. I love every one of those hours. Unlike Spotify, expert DJs select a wide range of music from genres that span the globe. Throughout the day, FIP curates an eclectic mix of genres—from jazz to rock, world music to classical—ensuring that I'm constantly exposed to various musical worlds…

KEXP as well. My Apple Music consumption has gone way down after discovering this amazing terrestrial radio station. They put on great concerts also that can be viewed on YouTube.

Re: I Quit Spotify

#122
post #41

PSA for people with kids: Parental controls and QA in Spotify are a bad joke. I found out the hard way that Spotify features tons of videos and that you cannot disable them. See for instance https://open.spotify.com/episode/5KS759AlVGVj34OHPbcx1p There's also ton of dubious stuff in the "ASMR" category you probably wouldn't want your kid have access to and that is not caught by the "Explicit" filter, see for instance…

Holy crap, that's straight up porn - no ASMR there. This is the same crap that used to be on those expensive phone services where you'd call and get charged insane amounts for.

Also not ASMR in the slightest.

Re: I Quit Spotify

#123
The article has all the pieces but doesn't connect that Spotify's incentive is "Discovery Mode": https://newsroom.spotify.com/2020-11-02/amplifying-artist-in...

> artists and labels can identify music that’s a priority for them... it won’t require any upfront budget. Instead, labels or rights holders agree to be paid a promotional recording royalty rate for streams in personalized listening sessions where we provided this service

"Payola" is the term for radio stations secretly charging labels to feature their songs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola

"Discovery Mode" is the modern structure. Instead of a station's single broadcast, it's many algorithmic playlists. Instead of the publisher paying up front because the radio and retailer are separate businesses, they just accept a lower royalty rate on plays because Spotify plays are the discovery and the sale together. Perhaps these differences and this press release is enough "disclosure" to avoid prosecution, I'm not a lawyer. I wish Spotify's internal legal analysis was public.

But all these gripes come back to: Spotify makes more money from this than when playing albums, curation, personal playlists, etc etc. There isn't a general issue of control or caring, there's a specific, nameable moneymaking "feature".

Re: I Quit Spotify

#124

Here’s an experiment you can do across any music service, count how many clicks/taps/interactions to go from a cold start to dark side of the moon. Now play their next album that you can’t remember the name of. For bonus fun count how many times it tries to interrupt you and have you listen to something cheaper, their in house podcasts or whatever the latest rap album they’re pushing is, despite that after tens of th…

> Shameless promotion: rad is an auto D.J. that actually does follow your preferences https://rad.fm/ Site tried to detect my location. That's creepy and invasive. Tab closed instantly.

Rad.FM maker here. Thanks for at least trying it. A) the web app is still in alpha. B) Rad needs your location to make what it says to the listener relevant to where you are and your current time. Also, news & weather need your location.

Thanks for the feedback though, I'll delay the location request to later in the flow + add a popover which explains why it's needed when we get to beta.

Re: I Quit Spotify

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To clarify, my point is music listening is ultimately subjective, and there's no objective, "correct", way people can experience and appreciate art.

That view itself is subjective and isn't shared by everybody.

All comments on HN are subjective.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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post #80

I quit Spotify a few years ago as well. They kept changing stuff, breaking my work flow, with every change it felt like there was more friction to listen to the music and podcasts I wanted, and less friction to listen to algorithmically selected slop I didn't want to listen to. Eventually I just said fuck it. I don't need this source of stress and frustration in my life. I've never looked back. I'm on youtube music n…

If their problem was 'too many developers', I reckon they'd be building totally useless yet amazingly engineered SDKs and data/analytics tools or apps to improve the quality and satisfaction of your music consumption. Instead, they focus on all the things that just reek of an overabundance of marketers and Product People™.

It could be either, but yea, I have seen this mostly at companies with too many product owners and designers who are trying to build their portfolio, and they are enabled by too many developers who just say "yes" to everything they are asked to write.

But, the industry does also have a "Developers Gotta Develop" problem. The way I've seen it explained is: "Programmers are like beavers. Leave a beaver alone to decide what to do and they'll just keep building dams, regardless of the fact that their home is done." I don't know if that's really true about beavers, but it's true about software organizations. The whole software development team will just continue changing the software even long past the point where they're done.

Re: I Quit Spotify

#127
post #37

The problem is that Spotify has to pay huge royalties to the studios instead of being able to make a large margin as other tech companies do. So they get squeezed from both ends, on one side the customer who doesn't want to pay more and on the other side the music industry.

What problems? The articles says "profit margins are hitting new highs, up to thirty per cent."

Well internally I know from folks that it is dire straits and they have their back against the wall with negotiations.

Re: I Quit Spotify

#128
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think, in the olden days you would be the guy who has a favorite radio station, tunes to it, and just let it run. That's what I do in the car anyway ;) Nothing's wrong about that. However, there is no need to denigrate other people's preferences with poor wording. You do you, they do they. There is no harm in the way anybody likes their music. BTW, there is winamp-js, which is Winamp in your browser. I think the Wi…

i like music from all over - i guess i agree the wording is a bit too on the nose - thinking if i edit and tone it down, but there's been a lot written after it already. The issue is almost every good music application assumes an organization style by artist/album, which in the modern world, may not be how things still work. To me, albums are a suggestion/release unit.

Have you taken a look at so called directory players, e.g. 1by1?

Re: I Quit Spotify

#129
post #38

Perhaps I’m old but I never got into this at all. I have a very carefully curated collection of music which is combination of CD rips, stuff from bandcamp and bootlegs and piracy. I can’t possibly replicate this with any online music service.

What do you do for discovery?

last.fm / gigs / bandcamp. Oh also Meetup music events and I actually play a couple of instruments so get talking to people.

Re: I Quit Spotify

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post #109

I quit Spotify a few years ago as well. They kept changing stuff, breaking my work flow, with every change it felt like there was more friction to listen to the music and podcasts I wanted, and less friction to listen to algorithmically selected slop I didn't want to listen to. Eventually I just said fuck it. I don't need this source of stress and frustration in my life. I've never looked back. I'm on youtube music n…

Deezer has been quite stable imo and I find it not clutered

No linux client and support in my country. They have better streaming quality than Spotify.
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